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06-18-2012, 08:39 PM
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Ellis vs Rielly...

Ryan Ellis is an inch shorter and a few pounds lighter than Morgan Rielly. Ellis put up as many points as Rielly in less time but both are dynamic offensive-defenseman. Why is Rielly considered a top 5-8 pick when Ellis was taken 11th? Is Rielly that much better than Ellis?


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Skating maybe? I don't really know but Ellis has never been the strongest skater.

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Rielly is 6'0.5" 200lbs - Per combine measurements
Ellis is 5'9" 183lbs - Per Elite Prospects

That's a 3-4 inch and 17lbs difference, not a 1 inch and few lbs difference.

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Rielly has multiple inches on Ellis and is an amazing skater.

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Rielly has multiple inches on Ellis and is an amazing skater.
I was just about to say I always thought Ellis being an average skater was a huge knock against him(more then size)

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I like Rielly a little better. Seems to have the better two way play.

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Rielly is 6'0.5" 200lbs - Per combine measurements
Ellis is 5'9" 183lbs - Per Elite Prospects

That's a 3-4 inch and 17lbs difference, not a 1 inch and few lbs difference.
Ellis is 5'10"...so 2 inches at most.

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Ellis is 5'10"...so 2 inches at most.
Ellis might be 5'10" now (there are 12 inches in a foot, making him 3" shorter than Rielly's 6'1") but he wasn't when he was drafted, which was the argument you're trying to make. Furthermore, Ellis is just as much 5'10" as Spurgeon is 5'9".

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Ellis is 5'10"...so 2 inches at most.
Ellis is very likely not 5'10, but even if he were...that's 2.5 inches shorter than Rielly at the least, not most. It's a significant size difference.

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Ellis is very likely not 5'10, but even if he were...that's 2.5 inches shorter than Rielly at the least, not most. It's a significant size difference.
True it's a size difference but not a significant size different.

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True it's a size difference but not a significant size different.
Did you really just say 2.5inches at the least is not a significant size difference?

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Did you really just say 2.5inches at the least is not a significant size difference?
Yes...5'10"...6'0.5 inches. Both are under size. It's your ability to play that's the key.We're not talking Gerbe small.

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Yes...5'10"...6'0.5 inches. Both are under size. It's your ability to play that's the key.We're not talking Gerbe small.
So the 2.5" between 5'10 and 6'0.5 isn't significant at all, but you're complaining that the difference between Rielly at 6'0.5 and "the new average" of 6'2 is too significant to draft Rielly so high?

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Yes...5'10"...6'0.5 inches. Both are under size. It's your ability to play that's the key.We're not talking Gerbe small.
Still, I'd guess there are more defensemen that are 6'0'' or 6'1'' than there are defensemen that are 5'9'' or 5'10'' in the NHL.

The big thing for me is that while both have the mental and technical abilities to be creative defensemen that control the play, Rielly has the edge physically.
He's not a giant, but he's still closer to the league average than Ellis.
Rielly's skating, as I said previously, is also very good.
Those are the two things that I think will allow him to utilizie his mental and technical abilities.
Ellis is incredibly creative too, but I think his physical shortcomings will start to hold him back.

I think Ellis will end up being a good NHL player, but Rielly has some really dynamic potential.
Some NHL team will end up running most of their offense through him one day, much like Ottawa does with Erik Karlsson.
He's the new breed that teams will probably start to really covet, if they don't already.

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Rielly is a much better skater. I feel like if we look back the bigger knock on Ellis was always his skating more than his size.

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Ryan Ellis is an inch shorter and a few pounds lighter than Morgan Rielly. Ellis put up as many points as Rielly in less time but both are dynamic offensive-defenseman. Why is Rielly considered a top 5-8 pick when Ellis was taken 11th? Is Rielly that much better than Ellis?
Ellis did not put up as many points, he put up substantially more points. Better team mind you.

Reilly is seen as having a game more suited to the NHL is the best answer. Bit bigger, bit faster.

I'm trying to remember where Ellis was rated, I thought it was higher than 11th by a few spots. Reilly could still fall out of the top 10 given the parity in this draft.

And people are calling this a weak draft.


So all in all, no surprise to me at all.

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So the 2.5" between 5'10 and 6'0.5 isn't significant at all, but you're complaining that the difference between Rielly at 6'0.5 and "the new average" of 6'2 is too significant to draft Rielly so high?
6'1" < is still a bit undersize in the NHL. It's all about how you use the size. Someone on the Wild forum posted how many good defensemen there are between 5'10" - 6'01" but given now that I know Ellis' skating is a problem over Rielly it makes sense that Ellis dropped out of the top 10.

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Ryan Ellis is an inch shorter and a few pounds lighter than Morgan Rielly. Ellis put up as many points as Rielly in less time but both are dynamic offensive-defenseman. Why is Rielly considered a top 5-8 pick when Ellis was taken 11th? Is Rielly that much better than Ellis?
I think it has to do with their draft years more than anything else. Folks are saying this is sort of a weak draft, but if you look at the 2009 draft there was a whole whack load of great talent competing with him for a selection.

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I think it has to do with their draft years more than anything else. Folks are saying this is sort of a weak draft, but if you look at the 2009 draft there was a whole whack load of great talent competing with him for a selection.
True that was a stacked top 5.

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Rielly is a beauty.

Watching him rush the puck is a treat

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