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Stars Kicking the Tires on Gagner, Dubinsky

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06-19-2012, 12:36 PM
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We can haz Michael Ryder?

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06-19-2012, 12:39 PM
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Arnott is 6'5'' 220lbs and had 38 goals in his rookie year. I think Gagner is a skilled kid who could produce with the right team (and Dallas is actually one of those teams that I think could bring out the best in him) but there is little in his game that is simialr to Arnott.
That wasn't his point. Arnott got shipped out for being inconsistent and not getting to the next level. Gagner is facing some similar criticisms. But the main point i think was that both were run out of town before prime time. Developing players on the job and then shipping them away just before prime time is a loser team move, and a move Edmonton has made before. Impatience in regards to development are similarities Arnott and Gagner have with one another, he said nothing of style.

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06-19-2012, 12:46 PM
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i agree thats not very scary in terms of hitting and intimidation. Still, hall and yakupov have some edge to their game. But hemsky, eberle and RNH is weak. Might be to soon to tell for grigorenko but hes still 6"3 almost 6"4 ( draft combine stats), hard to predict how strong a player will be in the future..
Eberle and Hemsky do fairly well in battles, Eberle especially. Hopkins is so elusive he doesn't need to engage in too many, and can hold his own suprisingly well and should be fine as he gets older (he's 6'1). None of them are grinders but they can compete. There is a difference between small and competitive and small and soft, look no further than Detroit. The Oilers don't have any soft forwards IMO, and i really don't think they were tossed around all that much last year. I do think a couple big top 9 forwards would help alot but i don't think the offensive players up front will be rendered uncompetitive due to their size.

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06-19-2012, 12:54 PM
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Dubinsky, Hagelin, 2013 2nd rounder for L Eriksson. Would you PULL the trigger? Would Dallas?
Quick answer: hell no.

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06-19-2012, 01:08 PM
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I could see Dallas offering up #13.

To expand on this I have actually been thinking about this for awhile. Something around Gagner for #13. Dallas wants a top six center for the future to play behind Benn. Gagner is arguably not as important to the Oiler's future as one of the d-men the Oilers could pick up at #13. The top six centers available at #13 may have more intangibles than Gagner but they look to have a similar ceiling of a second line talent.
I might do 31+Gagner for 13 but definitely not Gagner for 13 straight up. This is a guy who although he is still very young is actually not that far away from UFA status.

if the price is an nhl dman i think the best dallas could offer would be trevor daley.


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06-19-2012, 01:41 PM
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I'd be interested in Gagner, Dubinsky not so much. I wonder if Edmonton would be interested in Morrow as 2/3 LW to be a leader and mentor for the young guys?

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06-19-2012, 01:51 PM
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How's Gagner defensively?
Bad.

But he is a legitimate 2nd line center, just needs to play between a 1C and a 3C who have size and play strong two way games.

This is why we shop him, not because hes terrible.

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I could see Dallas offering up #13.

To expand on this I have actually been thinking about this for awhile. Something around Gagner for #13. Dallas wants a top six center for the future to play behind Benn. Gagner is arguably not as important to the Oiler's future as one of the d-men the Oilers could pick up at #13. The top six centers available at #13 may have more intangibles than Gagner but they look to have a similar ceiling of a second line talent.
i wouldn't take the 13...its a player who can hopefully help in 2 years.

gagner is a 2nd line center right now, and at 22, could/is still improving.

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06-19-2012, 01:52 PM
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The Rangers would take the #13 for Dubi.

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06-19-2012, 01:53 PM
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Dubinsky, Hagelin, 2013 2nd rounder for L Eriksson. Would you PULL the trigger? Would Dallas?
This is probably the worst Eriksson proposal I've ever seen.

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I might do 31+Gagner for 13 but definitely not Gagner for 13 straight up. This is a guy who although he is still very young is actually not that far away from UFA status.

if the price is an nhl dman i think the best dallas could offer would be trevor daley.
2 years till ufa, but i think he'd be receptive to a 4 year deal.


if we dont trade him, im hoping we sign him under 4M for 3-4 years.

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06-19-2012, 01:55 PM
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Only players Rangers would want from Dallas are Benn/Eriksson, neither of which I could see Dallas trading.

I'd do Dubinsky & Staal for one of them in an instant.

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06-19-2012, 01:56 PM
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Stars could get Gagner for Oleksiak, 13th overall and Wandell
For Dubinsky, Wandell and one of Peterson or Fiddler

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Stars could get Gagner for Oleksiak, 13th overall and Wandell
For Dubinsky, Wandell and one of Peterson or Fiddler
Dubinsky it is. That is an s***load to give up for Gagner.

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06-19-2012, 02:03 PM
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Dubinsky it is. That is an s***load to give up for Gagner.
Way too much to give up for Gagner.

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06-19-2012, 02:05 PM
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Stars could get Gagner for Oleksiak, 13th overall and Wandell
For Dubinsky, Wandell and one of Peterson or Fiddler
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Dubinsky it is. That is an s***load to give up for Gagner.
Well he was correct. The Stars could get Gagner for Oleksiak, 13th overall and Wandell. The Oilers could not get Oleksiak, 13th overall and Wandell for Gagner

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Stars could get Gagner for Oleksiak, 13th overall and Wandell
For Dubinsky, Wandell and one of Peterson or Fiddler
I hope you aren't serious about Gagner.

If we're moving 13th, I want it to be moving back to acquire Spooner. 13th for Spooner + 24th. Not straight up for anyone.

Eriksson and Benn are going no where ffs. If you don't understand that, get out of this thread. Every time the Stars are brought up, it always turns to Eriksson and Benn somehow, and I'm sick of it.

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06-19-2012, 02:08 PM
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Eriksson and Benn aren't available, and I wouldn't give up Dubinsky for Ott.

Don't see a deal being made between the Rangers and the Stars.

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I'd do Fistric+43 for Gagner. Oh, and Wandell.

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06-19-2012, 02:12 PM
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Honestly I'm not really seeing a deal here. While I, along with 29 other teams in the league, would love to get Benn or Eriksson I obviously know that won't happen.

Outside of those two there really isn't much that entices me. I'm not really interested in Ott or Ryder.
This.

Rangers are only interested in upgrading their LW position. Dealing Dubinsky for anything lesser than another Dubinsky is pointless and only hurts us. Any trade we make will be a package deal to bring in a legit top line LW.

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The Rangers would take the #13 for Dubi.
While I wouldn't mind that, I don't see Dallas trading #13 for anything.

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06-19-2012, 02:13 PM
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4 seasons in and gagner is and has always been a 40 pt center who is bad defensively. Take out the miracle game, he was worse last year than the year before. Maybe 13 for Gagner and 31 only because it allows us to trade Ribs, but since it is already know that benn is moving back to wing, a 1-2 of Riberio and Gagner looks awful.

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If Chiasson was available I'd be willing to do a package around him for Dubinsky.

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I think that the only way that edmonton would move gagner is if it was the draft day and they could draft grigs if he slips.

Either dallas has to move up to get a pick that can get him, or he slips to 13 and edm trades gagner+31 for #13.

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If Chiasson was available I'd be willing to do a package around him for Dubinsky.
No, he is 100% not available.

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Gagner
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2nd round pick

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Goligoski
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