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06-19-2012, 02:00 PM
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I think it's a bit high because he hasn't been able to stay healthy or proven he can handle a big work load.

But I'm not worried because I think he should be able to stay healthy and handle a big work load.

If he doesn't pan out, it's not a lot of money or a long term. If he does pan out, it's a steal of a contract.

Not to mention, without Backs, we'll probably only have $3-3.5M tied up in our goalies, rather than $7M like we have the last several years.

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Harding was quoted as saying his desire to be the #1 guy means he requires MIN to offer him a multi-year deal. Done.

Backstrom has no NTC according to Capgeek. He's likely "done" too. Shipping him out would free up additional dollars -- likely two new additions to the blueline then.
Capgeek for some reason never put up the NTC of Minnesota players who signed them before Capgeek went up. Never had Havlat's either.

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Yeah, I don't see how it's too high, I'm happy with the price.

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A 60% raise for 3 years on a guy who has never proven to be a #1 starter and who has proven to be replaceable. Again, I'll take spending less on a goalie if it means that money goes elsewhere (like the blue line) but 3 years...3 years.

(Don't like the 3 years)
But he doesn't have to be a #1. Backstrom's here for one more year, then if Hackett isn't ready, we re-sign Backstrom, if he is, Hackett gets to take over. Harding has proved that he can step in and be a good goalie when he needs to as a back-up, and that's what we're paying him the $1.9M for. If you think of it as a %-raise, then yes, it looks like a lot, but if you look at it as just a number, $1.9M/$70M for a very solid backup goalie is nothing.

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I would be hoping that Fletcher is talking about trading up with Columbus, Islanders, or Toronto using Backstrom. Too much to hope for?

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A 60% raise for 3 years on a guy who has never proven to be a #1 starter and who has proven to be replaceable. Again, I'll take spending less on a goalie if it means that money goes elsewhere (like the blue line) but 3 years...3 years.

(Don't like the 3 years)
The 3 years makes complete sense.

First year, backup Backstrom, transition to take over.
Second year, take over the #1 job, Hackett comes in to backup.
Third year, tries to hang on to the #1 job with Hackett pushing him or possibly surpassing.
UFA again - did he earn more time or is the job now Hackett's?

Three years is the perfect length for the Wild.

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Beware... incoming Backstrom proposals.
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But he doesn't have to be a #1. Backstrom's here for one more year, then if Hackett isn't ready, we re-sign Backstrom, if he is, Hackett gets to take over. Harding has proved that he can step in and be a good goalie when he needs to as a back-up, and that's what we're paying him the $1.9M for. If you think of it as a %-raise, then yes, it looks like a lot, but if you look at it as just a number, $1.9M/$70M for a very solid backup goalie is nothing.
How is paying $1.9M over multiple years for a backup goalie not ridiculous?

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The best thing is that we're hanging onto an asset. And obviously this means that Backstrom will be here for no longer than one more year, and a trade seems quite possible.

I don't see Harding being an ideal starter, but he's a good backup.

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Congrats to Hards on his new deal to stay in Minny! @mnwild
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Capgeek for some reason never put up the NTC of Minnesota players who signed them before Capgeek went up. Never had Havlat's either.
So does Backstrom have an NTC?

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Not to mention, without Backs, we'll probably only have $3-3.5M tied up in our goalies, rather than $7M like we have the last several years.
THIS! So much this!

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Just remembered Vokoun got $2M to be a backup. Alright coming back around.

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The best thing is that we're hanging onto an asset. And obviously this means that Backstrom will be here for no longer than one more year, and a trade seems quite possible.

I don't see Harding being an ideal starter, but he's a good backup.
Can agree with this.

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How is paying $1.9M over multiple years for a backup goalie not ridiculous?
Meh, it's a matter of degrees. Without researching, I'd guess that the average veteran backup makes a little over $1m. $1.9m isn't rediculous when there's a chance that that backup could still end up starting for a couple/few years.

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Good for Harding. If he stays healthy, this will be a really good deal for the Wild. I don't see Harding ever being our full-time starter. He'll likely split time equally with Backstrom next year, then we'll slowly ease Hackett into the NHL with Harding over the next two years of his contract.

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Meh, it's a matter of degrees. Without researching, I'd guess that the average veteran backup makes a little over $1m. $1.9m isn't rediculous when there's a chance that that backup could still end up starting for a couple/few years.
It means he has the 25th-highest paid cap hit.

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Harding would have gotten much more if he tested the FA market.

That's a perfect example of loyalty right there IMO.

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Harding would have gotten much more if he tested the FA market.

That's a perfect example of loyalty right there IMO.
An excellent observation.

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06-19-2012, 02:12 PM
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I think of Harding as a 1B goalie. For next season I assume he'd be 1A, and after that, who knows. His injury concerns are the only thing than concern me.

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06-19-2012, 02:13 PM
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With so few teams needing No. 1's, Harding says he didn't want to be "left without a chair when the music stops" July 1
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Harding says this is a dream, something he never could hae envisioned when rehabbing from torn ACL/MCL 2 years ago
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I love this deal. Just because it gives us options and lets the young guys develop. Hard to hate it, thats for sure.

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Elliot got 1.8 per but for only 2 years. So yes Harding is a slight overpayment but with the longer contract I have faith that when Backstrom leaves he can step up and be a great #1.

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Was pretty interested to see the term as it appeared Harding was returning(figured it would have been 1 or 3 years, had my "issues" with both). 3 years is pretty risky. Josh Harding has not established himself as a starting caliber goaltender in this league, nor has he proven he can stay healthy for a full season. While the contract doesn't suggest we expect him to be an elite goalie, Matt Hackett's got 12 games of NHL experience and will be #3 on our depth chart assuming Backstrom is not dealt. Are we comfortable with a Hackett/Harding tandem in 13-14 when Hackett's proven so little at the NHL level(and won't get a chance unless injury/trade, though the former is likely to happen) and Harding can't stay healthy? Very risky. Hackett's in the NHL in 13-14, with us or someone else. Now we've made a commitment to Harding.

I didn't really want Harding back. I wanted Matt Hackett to win a battle with a veteran on a 2-way and get ~30 starts behind Niklas Backstrom in 12-13, so that we could have a better idea of what Hackett is before his next contract(and what kind of tandem partner he needed, as Backstrom is expiring). He's proven everything he needs to in the AHL and didn't disappoint in his 12 appearances with the Wild last season.

The salary/term isn't a problem for Harding. Its the risk we're making for the 13-14 season, a season which failure could cost people jobs(unless they lose them after 12-13). If Harding can stay healthy for these 3 years, then GMCF will deserve a ton of credit for believing in him. But history suggests he can't stay healthy. Only time will tell.

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06-19-2012, 02:22 PM
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Harding re-signed by Wild to three-year, $5.7 million deal

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