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06-19-2012, 03:07 PM
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Alright, that's one spot. Where are the other 2 coming from?

Keep in mind we can pretty much send anyone to the minors but we also have a 50 contract limit.
You could move Peckham for that Defenseman in Pit, Peckham's still young for them and cheaper.

The other thing it makes me wonder, maybe the Oilers are going to part ways with Ryan Whitney

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Heads up, Neil Sheehy on Oilers Now said EDM is getting better and the free agents will come when we are good. IN OTHER WORDS, we aren't getting Suter this year. Period.

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Draft Day Proposal #2.

Stu starts pulling his hair out as he sees a player drop through the draft until Tambellini succumbs. Realizing he has too many defenders and contracts, he decides to streamline.

Tampa Bay gets Sam Gagner. plus Theo Peckham
Edmonton Oilers gets Tampa Bay #10 overall pick.

Edmonton Oilers draft Mikael Grigorenko at #10.
That's an interesting, and plausable scenario. I'd be all over that if I were Tambo, not sure about the Lightening though.

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11 points in 32 games w/ Nashville last year. I don't know if i like this trade either? What's his upside? Dan Boyle? Low end? MAB?

We would have a 2nd line center issue unless they convert Hall into a center...
Oops, I stand corrected. But yeah I agree. He could end up like Kris Russel, a undersized PP player. Thats a big risk.

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Vanek is a very skilled player and has shown when put with talented players he pots 40 goals. He also makes us bigger up front the only problem is his salary. Buffalo would have to add to take on that big contract imo.
The prospal now:

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1st overall

Is there any bad contract you would want the Sabres to take on to lessen the blow of Vanek's contract which I don't feel is all that bad. 6.4 million is the going rate and that is only for the next two years. You have a guy like Nash who is making around 7.8 million for the next 6 years.

I know this is a while from now, but you also have to think about the future with resigning all these number one picks. Just something to keep in mind.

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The prospal now:

Vanek
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42nd overall

for

1st overall

Is there any bad contract you would want the Sabres to take on to lessen the blow of Vanek's contract which I don't feel is all that bad. 6.4 million is the going rate and that is only for the next two years. You have a guy like Nash who is making around 7.8 million for the next 6 years.

I know this is a while from now, but you also have to think about the future with resigning all these number one picks. Just something to keep in mind.
There's only one bad contract we have that could be an issue moving forward, and that is the captain Shawn Horcoff. I don't even want to suggest the Sabres somehow take him in a deal, that would be too mean.

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The prospal now:

Vanek
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42nd overall

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1st overall

Is there any bad contract you would want the Sabres to take on to lessen the blow of Vanek's contract which I don't feel is all that bad. 6.4 million is the going rate and that is only for the next two years. You have a guy like Nash who is making around 7.8 million for the next 6 years.

I know this is a while from now, but you also have to think about the future with resigning all these number one picks. Just something to keep in mind.
Shawn Horcoff? I would do

To Edm: Vanek, 12th and 42nd overall

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To Buf: Horcoff and 1st overall

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Shawn Horcoff? I would do

To Edm: Vanek, 12th and 42nd overall

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To Buf: Horcoff and 1st overall
I'd rather draft Yakupov and live with Horcoff for three more years.

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How do does bringing in an outside d-man equal us bringing back all the same players?
I'm saying how are you going to bring in new d-men when the majority of the roster is full? Or on the flip side what the hell was the point of signing the excess (ie. Sutton, Potter and to a lesser extent Petrell). Did their view of the defense do a complete 180 from March until today?

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Heads up, Neil Sheehy on Oilers Now said EDM is getting better and the free agents will come when we are good. IN OTHER WORDS, we aren't getting Suter this year. Period.
I never thought we would... but it still sucks to hear it.


One day.....

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Vanek's been a consistent goal scorer but I'm not convinced he would help the team more than Yakupov.

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You could move Peckham for that Defenseman in Pit, Peckham's still young for them and cheaper.

The other thing it makes me wonder, maybe the Oilers are going to part ways with Ryan Whitney
That's what I'm thinking, Whitney's time in Edmonton may be done. As for Peckham I realize that could be a possibility but then I ask why the hell would Pitts want Peckham. ambo has done very little so it would be a very big shock for him to just trade 50% of his current defense over the summer. However I guess that is really the only time he is ever active.

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Vanek's been a consistent goal scorer but I'm not convinced he would help the team more than Yakupov.

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Also Yakupov is on an ELC for the next three years which makes a huge difference.

On Vanek you're paying "Lowe tax".

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06-19-2012, 03:44 PM
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That's what I'm thinking, Whitney's time in Edmonton may be done. As for Peckham I realize that could be a possibility but then I ask why the hell would Pitts want Peckham. ambo has done very little so it would be a very big shock for him to just trade 50% of his current defense over the summer. However I guess that is really the only time he is ever active.
Peckham's a young player, who's tough and cheap. On a short term deal he gives them more flexibility then the guys on longer term deals they have now, but not really sure, just spit balling.

I was thinking it might be hilarious if any deal the Oilers made with Pit for defenseman had Whitney going back to Pit (because of the short contract and history) The old circle of the NHL.

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I'd rather draft Yakupov and live with Horcoff for three more years.
Buyout Horcoff this summer would be even better.

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I'm saying how are you going to bring in new d-men when the majority of the roster is full? Or on the flip side what the hell was the point of signing the excess (ie. Sutton, Potter and to a lesser extent Petrell). Did their view of the defense do a complete 180 from March until today?
When you are making a trade for a salary dump odds are the other team would take a Potter or Peckham etc...

Locking guys up is better than hoping come July 1st you can sign someone and then find out that Cornet or Plante are in your opening day lineup because you let Petrell or Potter walk for nothing.

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The more and more I think about trading Sam Gagner the more and more I start to dislike it. Sam made some pretty big strides last year and looked a lot faster until he hurt his ankle.

If he focuses on foot speed again this summer than he might be able to make that next step this season. Playing on a line with Hemsky and Yakupov will only help him as well.

Sam is only 22 and has already got multiple 40+ point seasons under his belt.

His trade value right now is not nearly as high as it can be, If we are actually thinking of trading him it better be for a overpayment otherwise lets see what he can do this year.

Trading him for a pick is really taking a step back and delaying the rebuild even longer. I don't know if the Oilers are willing to do that.

In my opinion if they are set on trading Gagner they should try to package Gagner for an upgrade on 2C.
While I agree that getting a pick for Gags is a timeline step back, Getting an 8th or 6th overall is a really good payment> There was a time last year where it looked like he wasn't even worth a second round pick. Plus you have to factor in the fact that we DO need some size at center in our top 6 and RNH isn't going anywhere. Gags is the candidate to be moved.

I am saying that even though i like him and think he is a good Oiler

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Also Yakupov is on an ELC for the next three years which makes a huge difference.

On Vanek you're paying "Lowe tax".
What are ELC now for 1st overall picks. We just signed Armia and he is getting like 1.25 million. I would think Yakupov would be getting a lot more than that.

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What are ELC now for 1st overall picks. We just signed Armia and he is getting like 1.25 million. I would think Yakupov would be getting a lot more than that.
Hopkins was 3.775mil, Hall 3.750 I suspect Yak would be 3.8ish.

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When you are making a trade for a salary dump odds are the other team would take a Potter or Peckham etc...

Locking guys up is better than hoping come July 1st you can sign someone and then find out that Cornet or Plante are in your opening day lineup because you let Petrell or Potter walk for nothing.
Fair enough(although Plante may be an upgrade over Potter), I just hope the 50-contract limit doesn't become a problem like it sometimes seems to be for this team.

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Shawn Horcoff? I would do

To Edm: Vanek, 12th and 42nd overall

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To Buf: Horcoff and 1st overall
No thanks to Vanek even though 12 pick and 42 for Horcoff makes it a somewhat fair deal on its face. Yakupov looks to be at least as good a scorer as Vanek and he hits people. In seemingly fair deals the team that gives up the better player loses.

Also, there really is no benefit to unloading Horcoff's contract and he is a competent 3c.

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Fair enough(although Plante may be an upgrade over Potter), I just hope the 50-contract limit doesn't become a problem like it sometimes seems to be for this team.
It's never really been an issue though. With that being said I wonder if they make a couple buyouts on these AHL/ECHL guys. Do we really need Abney under contract? Couldn't we just sign a fighter to a AHL contract?

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No thanks to Vanek even though 12 pick and 42 for Horcoff makes it a pretty fair deal. Yakupov looks to be at least as good a scorer and he actually hits people. In seemingly fair deals the team that gives up the better player loses.

Also, there really is no benefit to unloading Horcoff's contract and he is a competent 3c.
Of course there is benefit to unloading Horcoff's contract, you can replace him for 2-3mil.

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Of course there is benefit to unloading Horcoff's contract, you can replace him for 2-3mil.
Do you think Edmonton is going to be a cap team before Horcoff's contract expries and RNH comes off his ELC?

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Do you think Edmonton is going to be a cap team before Horcoff's contract expries and RNH comes off his ELC?
You never know. Either way it would save ownership some cash.

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