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Phoenix LV: is Has Left the Building

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06-19-2012, 03:31 PM
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Phoenix LV: is Has Left the Building


CoG: Do you expect me to negotiate?
Goldwater: No, I expect you to die.


Goldwater.
They're the group, the group with the right wing touch.
You tax too much.
Such cold water
They'll throw on your subsidies
If they please.

Golden suits they will file in the courts,
But your lies they can't hide from their torts.
For a desert city knows when they've kissed her,
It's the kiss of death from

Goldwater
CoG beware of their heart of gold
They're heart is cold.

Public funds can't be used, that's the rule,
Unless you are some baptist school.
If you're anti tax and health care reform,
Send your donations to

Goldwater
CoG beware of their heart of gold
These threads get old.


12-08-2008 Hockey in The Desert (Phoenix franchise and finance/business matters)
02-04-2009 Hockey in the Desert II (Phoenix Coyotes franchise and business matters)

05-05-2009 Balsillie puts in $212.5 mil offer for the Coyotes
05-07-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part II
05-18-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part III
05-22-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part IV
06-03-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix part V
06-09-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part VI
06-12-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part VII: I'm just waitin' on a judge
06-16-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part VIII: It's dead, Jim
06-24-2009 Balsillie/Phoenix Part IX: 'Dorf on Hockey
07-25-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part X: The Truth? You Can't Handle The Truth!
08-03-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XI: A Fistful of Dollars?
08-07-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XII: For a Few Dollars More
08-12-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XIII: The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly
08-21-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XIV: The Wrath of Baum
08-27-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XV - SITREP: SNAFU
09-02-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XVI: Barbarian at the Gate
09-08-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XVII: Wake Me Up When September Ends
09-10-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy/ownership Part XVIII: Is that a pale horse in the distance?
09-12-2009 Phoenix bankruptcy Part XIX: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Baum
09-21-2009 Phoenix Bankruptcy Part XX: There Will Be Baum
09-28-2009 Phoenix Bankruptcy Part XXI: 2009 -- A Sports Odyssey
10-26-2009 Phoenix Bankruptcy Part XXII: Long and winding road

11-24-2009 Keeping up with potential owners for NHL Phoenix Coyotes (UPD: Ice Edge signs LOI)
03-14-2010 Part II. Potential owners of NHL's Phoenix Coyotes
03-26-2010 Part III. Prospective Owners - Phoenix Coyotes (UPD Lease vote 4/13; IEH signs MOU)
04-10-2010 Part IV Phoenix Coyotes post bankrtuptcy; UPD COG approves Reinsdorf MOU, not IEH MOU
05-02-2010 Part V Phoenix Coyotes post bankruptcy UPD Reinsdorf out? IEH back in? else Winnipeg?
05-11-2010 Part VI Phoenix Coyotes post bankruptcy
05-23-2010 Part VII Phoenix Coyotes post bankrtuptcy
06-07-2010 Part VIII: Phoenix Coyotes Post-bankrtuptcy
06-22-2010 Part IX: Phoenix Coyotes Post-bankruptcy UPD: Pres Moss fired 6/30 with IEH input
07-26-2010 Part X: Phoenix Coyotes - Between Scylla and Charybdis
08-27-2010 Part XI: Phoenix Coyotes -- Greetings, Starfighter, You have been selected ...
09-16-2010 Part XII: Phx Coyotes - Still haven't found what I'm looking for
10-12-2010 Part XIII: Phoenix Coyotes - The Final Cut?
10-27-2010 Part XIV: Phoenix Coyotes - To Infinity And Beyond....
12-05-2010 Part XV: Phoenix - the battle of evermore
12-14-2010 Part XVI: Phoenix -- Money for Nothing
12-20-2010 Part XVII: Phoenix -- Thread Title Available For Lease
01-09-2011 Part XVIII: Phoenix -- Imminence Front
01-24-2011 Phoenix XIXth: Nervous Breakdown
02-02-2011 Phoenix XX: Two weeks
02-11-2011 Phoenix XXI: When will then be now?
02-22-2011 Phoenix XXII: It's Now or Never
02-28-2011 Phoenix XXIII - Bond: The Phoenix Project
03-03-2011 Phoenix XXIV: How many twists does the scriptwriter have left?
03-07-2011 Phoenix XXV: Anyone in the theatre seen a pale horse?
03-08-2011 Phoenix XXVI: Pain in the AZ
03-11-2011 Phoenix XXVII: Can we all get along?
03-16-2011 Phoenix XXVIII: Lawyers, Bonds and Money
03-20-2011 Phoenix XXIX: What's the next act? I'm tired of the dog & pony show
03-22-2011 Phoenix Part XXX Hulz, you gotta get a gimmick if you want to get ahead
03-27-2011 Phoenix Part XXXI: I feel I'm in a time loop
04-05-2011 Phoenix Part XXXII: Bridge over Troubled Goldwater
04-14-2011 Phoenix XXXIII: Sound of Silence
04-20-2011 Phoenix XXXIV: Project Mayhem
04-25-2011 Phoenix XXXV: Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave...
05-03-2011 Phoenix XXXVI - There's got to be a morning after
05-10-2011 Phoenix XXXVII - The Heat is On

Followed by the Interregnum between Kings Phoenix the XXXVII-th and Phoenix the XXXVIII-th:

[PYTHON]
The most interesting thing about King Charles, the first
Is that he was 5 foot 6 inches tall at the start of his reign
But only 4 foot 8 inches tall at the end of it because of
Oliver Cromwell, Lord Protector of England Puritan
Born in 1599 and died in 1658 September
[/PYTHON]

06-09-2011 ESPN's Burnside: Hulsizer submitted new deal; COG city manager dragging it out
06-20-2011 Coyotes related: Westgate faces foreclosure
06-21-2011 Phoenix, worst case scenario

Finally, the realm was restored ...

06-27-2011 Phoenix XXXVIII: Hulsizer Pulls Bid For Coyotes
08-16-2011 Phoenix XXXIX: You Never Give Me Your Money
10-18-2011 Phoenix XL: Rich Man's World
12-07-2011 Phoenix XLI: Bongo Fury
01-06-2012 Phoenix XLII: The Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe and Everything
02-02-2012 Phoenix XLIII: How to Bake Cupcakes in Less Than Two Weeks
02-28-2012 Phoenix XLIV: Ignorance & Apathy (or I Doan't know & I Doan't Care)
03-28-2012 Phoenix XLV: You can't YANDLE the truth!
04-11-2012 Phoenix XLVI: (Tre)living on a prayer
04-21-2012 Phoenix XLVII: More Threads than Superbowls
05-01-2012 Phoenix XLVIII: Of Mice and Lieberman
05-08-2012 Phoenix XLIX: Smoke & Mirrors
05-21-2012 Phoenix L: AllByDesign?
05-30-2012 Phoenix LI: es, Damn Lies, and Arena Management Fees
06-06-2012 Phoenix LII: Goodnight, Sweet Lieberman
06-08-2012 Phoenix LIII: How the GWInch Stole Phoenix
06-12-2012 Phoenix LIV:E and Let Die
06-19-2012 Phoenix LV: is Has Left the Building


A couple if Phoenix uThreads have popped up in the wake of the "To close, or not to close" mega-thread discussion:

03-16-2012 COG to spend more on Coyotes than public safety?
03-22-2012 Dreger (3/22): NHL to investigate "plan b" for Phoenix
03-23-2012 Sunnicks strikes again "will they stay or will they go now?"
03-28-2012 G&M: Architects of Glendale pro sports disaster won't be around for fallout
03-30-2012 Shoalts: Ice Edge talking about bringing (minor) hockey to the Job should Yotes leave
04-04-2012 Shoalts: Glendale Mayor Scruggs wants city's $$ back
04-05-2012 Coyotes CEO 'confident' team is staying in Glendale
04-05-2012 Puck Daddy: Coyotes battline relocation worries with public optimism
04-06-2012 A strong PHX team in the playoffs may bring a new owner.
04-10-2012 Father of PHX AGM Brad Treliving involved in keeping Coyotes in Glendale?
04-10-2012 PKP offer for Coyotes may be 230 million (mod: to QC w/relo $$)
04-10-2012 Beasley: Coyotes deal within a month
04-11-2012 Glendale, NHL trying to close Phoenix Coyotes deal with Jamison group
04-11-2012 Bettman: no timeline on Phoenix situation (AP)
04-13-2012 Adding up the Numbers in the Phoenix Jamison Bid
04-16-2012 COG's Lieberman calls for demonstration against Coyote deal
04-17-2012 COG - budget payment to Jamison group not to exceed $20m?
04-17-2012 GWI ready to scrutinize new deal
04-18-2012 Coyotes sale soon, five things to watch
04-21-2012 Jamison looking for more investors on Coyotes bid, could be 1-2 months away from deal
04-21-2012 Greg Jamison finally goes public with potential purchase of the Coyotes
04-24-2012 Glendale Busts its Budget; Pledges More Money for Yotes
04-27-2012 Coyotes working to convert bandwagon fans to full time fans
04-28-2-12 4/28: Coyote sale deal getting closer
04-30-2012 Phoenix Coyotes sale finalized May 8th? Hulsizer back in?
05-03-2012 Phoenix CEO/Pres Nealy - something could happen next week
05-04-2012 Feschuk: Phoenix Coyotes doing just fine, thanks
05-04-2012 If the yotes make the finals
05-04-2012 Former Coyotes owner Jerry Moyes assails NHL over Coyotes’ operations
05-07-2012 NHL to announce tentative deal re: sale to Jamison
05-08-2012 Sportsnet: COG promising $306mm over next 21 years
05-08-2012 Wall Street Journal: 'Glendale's Public Hockey Project' = Loss
05-17-2012 Phoenix saga: 5/22 end date
05-17-2012 Jamison signing preliminary sales docs with NHL 5/17 or 5/18
05-21-2012 Goldwater Inst. ready to sue Glendale over arena management deal
05-23-2012 COG council approves preliminary budget with $17m payment for arena management
05-25-2012 Preliminary draft of lease agreement for Jobing.com in hands of COG board
06-04-2012 Phoenix lease details
06-05-2012 Bettmans plan may unravel in Phoenix (vote coming 6/8)
06-06-2012 The angst of Phoenix -- from three major league teams to one (that use city name)
06-06-2012 Forbes: Jamison having trouble raising funds
06-07-2012 GWI letter to Glendale Mayor and Coucilmembers
06-07-2012 Arizona Free Enterprise Club opposes COG deal
06-07-2012 Goldwater Institute Files for Restraining Order
06-11-2012 Coyote name change on hold?
06-13-2012 13 June, Goldwater files suit
06-14-2012 Halverstadt on NHL Home Ice talking Coyotes
06-14-2012 Coyotes deadline "now"? NHL schedule releasing soon
06-15-2012 PBJ: CoG says they'll withstand GWI legal challenge
06-15-2012 AFEC considering ballot (referendum) and COG concil recall
06-18-2012 Phoenix Coyotes, NHL looking for legal counsel to represent team, arena
06-19-2012 Coyotes deal not immediately effective - Referendum to follow?
06-26-2012 COG + GWI agreement on non-emergency status

And, hey, why not, for completeness:

03-05-2010 NHL sues Jerry Moyes


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Was there any mention as to when the second and third counts were set for hearing?

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The road goes on and on right from the door where it began....
Courtesy of Parts XV and XXXIV:

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Now far ahead the Thread has gone,
And I must follow, if I can,
Pursuing it with weary feet,
Until it joins some larger way
Where many paths and errands meet.
And whither then? I cannot say.


The Thread goes ever on and on
Out from the door where it began.
Now far ahead the Thread has gone,
Let others follow it who can!
Let them a journey new begin,
But I at last with weary feet
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I wonder what will the BoG say to Garry tonight?
I'd be surprised if their position changed

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Courtesy of Parts XV and XXXIV:

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Down from the door where it began.
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And I must follow, if I can,
Pursuing it with weary feet,
Until it joins some larger way
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And whither then? I cannot say.


The Thread goes ever on and on
Out from the door where it began.
Now far ahead the Thread has gone,
Let others follow it who can!
Let them a journey new begin,
But I at last with weary feet
Will turn towards the lighted inn,
My evening-rest and sleep to meet.
Damn I can't even make an obscure LOTR joke somebody already beat me to it months if not years ago!

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this would be a perfect opportunity for bettman to pull the plug (if he wants to but i doubt he does).. he can come out and now say with the uncertainty of a potential public referendum Mr Jamison can no longer secure the needed investors (which he had lined up and were ready to buy the team if there wasnt any uncertainty or hurdles) and he has no choice but to look at alternatives and relocate the team ASAP since its nearly July.

NHL did everything they could... gave glendale a great potential owner in Jamison who had investors, a reasonable lease (compared to all the previous ones)... but GWI interference killed the deal by adding too much uncertainty.... this would be perfect spin for the NHL

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Was there any mention as to when the second and third counts were set for hearing?
This is the question that we need answers for now. I read many times in the prior thread and in the court thread that, for example, the contempt complaint was left for Judge Anderson. When does it appear on his docket?

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This is the question that we need answers for now. I read many times in the prior thread and in the court thread that, for example, the contempt complaint was left for Judge Anderson. When does it appear on his docket?

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If any of the other relief was going to be granted to invalidate any part of the ordinance, then ask yourself why the judge would ask for an order to clarify the ordinance by making sec. 7 invalid (or inoperable depending upon which phrase used by the judge in the same sentence). I think you can safely assume he will not invalidate the vote.

The contempt charge will be heard by Anderson. I think it is safe to assume he will also not invalidate the vote due to the failure of the CoG to comply with a court order, given another judge choose not to when looking at the vote on the merits and effectively concluding that the vote was otherwise valid. Sanctions against the CoG in the terms of $$$ to pay the GWI's attorney fees...yes. Invalidate the vote, IMHO, highly unlikely.

The only chance now for the vote to be invalidated is if the voters decide to refer the matter and the referendum is passed to declare the ordinance invalid. That is not a bad thing IMHO, from a philosophical standpoint. I think the voters should get a chance to vote on this kind of a deal. The problem is that timing of a public vote has never been something the NHL said they were prepared to accept with soft, unspoken deadlines pushing this train up hill.

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If any of the other relief was going to be granted to invalidate any part of the ordinance, then ask yourself why the judge would ask for an order to clarify the ordinance by making sec. 7 invalid (or inoperable depending upon which phrase used by the judge in the same sentence). I think you can safely assume he will not invalidate the vote.

The contempt charge will be heard by Anderson. I think it is safe to assume he will also not invalidate the vote due to the failure of the CoG to comply with a court order, given another judge choose not to when looking at the vote on the merits and effectively concluding that the vote was otherwise valid. Sanctions against the CoG in the terms of $$$ to pay the GWI's attorney fees...yes. Invalidate the vote, IMHO, highly unlikely.

The only chance now for the vote to be invalidated is if the voters decide to refer the matter and the referendum is passed to declare the ordinance invalid. That is not a bad thing IMHO, from a philosophical standpoint. I think the voters should get a chance to vote on this kind of a deal. The problem is that timing of a public vote has never been something the NHL said they were prepared to accept with soft, unspoken deadlines pushing this train up hill.
Goyotes,
I am sorry if I left a wrong impression. Your answer to my post seemed to come from the assumption that I was expecting or hoping Judge Anderson would invalidate the vote. That is not my expectation or hope at all.

I simply see this all as great theatre. It's not my team at all. So, it really doesn't matter to me if GWI gets what it wants. I am simply more curious what Judge Anderson might rule toward CoG.

All that being said, I should acknowledge full disclosure. It is my opinion, have no dog or Coyote in the fight, that best end for this saga is QC. But, it really doesn't matter to me one way or the other. I don't live anywhere near Phx or QC.

I'm just curious how it is all going to turn out...

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Goyotes,
I am sorry if I left a wrong impression. Your answer to my post seemed to come from the assumption that I was expecting or hoping Judge Anderson would invalidate the vote. That is not my expectation or hope at all.

I simply see this all as great theatre. It's not my team at all. So, it really doesn't matter to me if GWI gets what it wants. I am simply more curious what Judge Anderson might rule toward CoG.

All that being said, I should acknowledge full disclosure. It is my opinion, have no dog or Coyote in the fight, that best end for this saga is QC. But, it really doesn't matter to me one way or the other. I don't live anywhere near Phx or QC.

I'm just curious how it is all going to turn out...
I was just attempting to answer what I thought the expected outcome will be when Anderson hears the contempt motion. It doesn't matter to me whether someone thinks the Coyotes should stay in Arizona or be relocated. For purely selfish reasons, I want them to stay, but I can see both sides of the coin.

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I was just attempting to answer what I thought the expected outcome will be when Anderson hears the contempt motion. It doesn't matter to me whether someone thinks the Coyotes should stay in Arizona or be relocated. For purely selfish reasons, I want them to stay, but I can see both sides of the coin.

With the BOG meeting today shouldnt they be approving the new owner if this moves forward to closure?

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Elvin Bishop of Glendale (albeit CA) was prophetic - On and On....

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Just wanted to mention that jetsfan88 was right on the money so far... it's playing out exactly how he's been saying it would for months. I realize he's not the only one that predicted it, but his track record is impressive for sure.

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Just wanted to mention that jetsfan88 was right on the money so far... it's playing out exactly how he's been saying it would for months. I realize he's not the only one that predicted it, but his track record is impressive for sure.
yes, I think it just isnt happening as fast as everyone on both sides wants it too. That is why he was doubted.

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He said it would take a while before it would get resolved. He said it could last until July. It certainly looks like that could be the case...

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Don't know if this was posted yet;


Coyotes referendum can go forward

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/80...ent-go-forward

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The NHL has got to pull the plug now unless they want to own the team for at least another 6 months.

The investors wont want to..... well..... invest in the Coyotes untill the referenum passed. So no sale untill then.

I'm telling you, if Gary Bettman is serious about the NHL not owning the team next season, he's got to sell the team to someone who'll relocate the team and take it of his hands NOW.

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The NHL has got to pull the plug now unless they want to own the team for at least another 6 months.

The investors wont want to..... well..... invest in the Coyotes untill the referenum passed. So no sale untill then.

I'm telling you, if Gary Bettman is serious about the NHL not owning the team next season, he's got to sell the team to someone who'll relocate the team and take it of his hands NOW.
Technically, at this present moment, there is no referendum. Signatures need to be collected and I suspect verified as voters. Only at that time there will be a referendum.

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http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/80...ent-go-forward
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