HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Atlantic Division > Montreal Canadiens
Notices

The Out of Town Thread part XLV All talk from around the league here

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
06-19-2012, 10:19 AM
  #26
Habs 4 Life
No Excuses
 
Habs 4 Life's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Montreal
Country: Italy
Posts: 32,347
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Protest the Hero View Post
A lot of talk about Chicago trying to move Hjalmarsson. I have no idea why they'd sign a guy like Oduya to that contract if it meant getting rid of Hjalmarsson, who I'd take in a heartbeat on the Habs. I think he can play the right side, which would be perfect, but if he can't, Gorges could probably move back over.
Chicago should have taken the picks from San Jose

Habs 4 Life is offline  
Old
06-19-2012, 10:21 AM
  #27
Scotianhab
Registered User
 
Scotianhab's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Nova Scotia
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,694
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Edmontreal View Post
2 years left. It was actually two summers ago he signed a four year deal, when the Hawks had won the cup, somehow I completely forgot there was a team that won it last year...
I think all Habs fans wish they could forget who won it last year....

Scotianhab is offline  
Old
06-19-2012, 10:22 AM
  #28
Blind Gardien
Global Moderator
nexus of the crisis
 
Blind Gardien's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Four Winds Bar
Country: France
Posts: 18,710
vCash: 500
I thought Oduya was abysmal in his Atlanta/Winnipeg incarnation, anyway. He had a lot going for him in the early days with NJ, but I don't know what happened, if it was just changing systems or something more to him individually, but he's a guy I wouldn't have wanted from the Jets for free, let alone trade for, let alone re-sign to a big contract... oh well. I'd rather have Hjalmarsson too.

Guys like Dubinsky and Hjalmarsson would be of interest to me... but I still don't want to trade significant assets for them. It's almost UFA season. Those guys already have UFA-like premium salaries, so why should I also add in trade assets to get them? No thanks. First let's explore the UFA market. TBH, when it comes to the UFA market, I think I'd rather settle for short-term Plan B/C free agents rather than trade assets for Dubinskys or Hjalmarssons. Hopefully there won't be that much of a separation in quality between some of the Plan B/C free agents and decent-but-not-high-impact players like Dubinsky and Hjalmarsson.

Blind Gardien is offline  
Old
06-19-2012, 11:05 AM
  #29
Protest the Hero
Registered User
 
Protest the Hero's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 5,383
vCash: 500
The problem I see with the UFA market is that there are barely any RH, top 4 defencemen. If we can add one, to play with Markov on the second pairing, I feel we should be in great shape.

I'm still not sure if it's the best option. The smart thing would be taking it slowly, and retooling so we'll be able to compete when Tinordi, Bealieu and Ellis are ready to make an impact, but I don't want to watch another disaster season.

You're right though that we're not really in a great position to be giving up future assets when we're not even sure how good this team really is.

Protest the Hero is offline  
Old
06-19-2012, 11:21 AM
  #30
Et le But
Moderator
 
Et le But's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: New York
Country: Argentina
Posts: 16,847
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Protest the Hero View Post
A lot of talk about Chicago trying to move Hjalmarsson. I have no idea why they'd sign a guy like Oduya to that contract if it meant getting rid of Hjalmarsson, who I'd take in a heartbeat on the Habs. I think he can play the right side, which would be perfect, but if he can't, Gorges could probably move back over.
Hjalmarsson wasn't very good last year, but I think that has more to do with how weak Chicago's D was than anything else. I'd gladly take him on the Habs.

Et le But is offline  
Old
06-19-2012, 11:26 AM
  #31
Andy
Registered User
 
Andy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Montreal
Country: Canada
Posts: 16,718
vCash: 500
I'd take Hjalmarsson in a heartbeat. He is a lot better than what he looked like last season.

Andy is offline  
Old
06-19-2012, 04:08 PM
  #32
Dagistitsyn
Registered User
 
Dagistitsyn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Nova Scotia
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,049
vCash: 500
@TSNBobMcKenzie
Hearing ANA's Bobby Ryan is "available" again after being taken off trade market after Randy Carlyle's Duck departure.

What would it take? What do you offer?

Dagistitsyn is offline  
Old
06-19-2012, 04:18 PM
  #33
vokiel
#NoTradesWithEDM
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Midgetland
Country: Martinique
Posts: 5,685
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by scrowe21 View Post
@TSNBobMcKenzie
Hearing ANA's Bobby Ryan is "available" again after being taken off trade market after Randy Carlyle's Duck departure.

What would it take? What do you offer?
I can't think of anything that would be interesting and/or not hurting this mini-rebuild.

vokiel is offline  
Old
06-19-2012, 04:22 PM
  #34
Monctonscout
Monctonscout
 
Monctonscout's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 28,962
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by scrowe21 View Post
@TSNBobMcKenzie
Hearing ANA's Bobby Ryan is "available" again after being taken off trade market after Randy Carlyle's Duck departure.

What would it take? What do you offer?
He'd be a nice guy to have, but I have a feeling that his production wouldn't match the cost. He's a guy that needs a kick in the pants for motivation pretty often.

Monctonscout is offline  
Old
06-19-2012, 04:29 PM
  #35
Analyzer
#WeAreBoston
 
Analyzer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Renfrew, ON.
Country: Canada
Posts: 39,193
vCash: 500
It would require the 3rd and then some. I don't know about you guys, but I put a lot more value on our 3rd overall pick than others would. That chance to draft a big, skilled potential number 1 centre is all too valuable to us.

Analyzer is offline  
Old
06-19-2012, 04:45 PM
  #36
Dagistitsyn
Registered User
 
Dagistitsyn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Nova Scotia
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,049
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Analyzer View Post
It would require the 3rd and then some. I don't know about you guys, but I put a lot more value on our 3rd overall pick than others would. That chance to draft a big, skilled potential number 1 centre is all too valuable to us.
Grigorenko?

Galchenyuk is not that big. Just under 6'1".. Not gunna argue with his skill though.


I don't want them to trade the pick either, but I'd start the package with Gionta + prospects and other picks.

Dagistitsyn is offline  
Old
06-19-2012, 04:49 PM
  #37
Analyzer
#WeAreBoston
 
Analyzer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Renfrew, ON.
Country: Canada
Posts: 39,193
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by scrowe21 View Post
Grigorenko?

Galchenyuk is not that big. Just under 6'1".. Not gunna argue with his skill though.


I don't want them to trade the pick either, but I'd start the package with Gionta + prospects and other picks.
For Ryan ?

Might get you laughed at.

6'1 with room to grow. He'll probably end up 6'2 with a slight chance of 6'3.

6'2 210lbs.Beast.

Analyzer is offline  
Old
06-19-2012, 04:58 PM
  #38
Dagistitsyn
Registered User
 
Dagistitsyn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Nova Scotia
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,049
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Analyzer View Post
For Ryan ?

Might get you laughed at.

6'1 with room to grow. He'll probably end up 6'2 with a slight chance of 6'3.

6'2 210lbs.Beast.
Depending on what prospects and picks are added.

Galchenyuk is 18 and he has been 6.05" since he first came to the OHL.. he may end up being 6'2" but I doubt it. 6'1 210 pounds doesn't make him a beast.

The average NHLer is 73.33" (6' 1 1/3") tall, weighs 204.42 lbs

Dagistitsyn is offline  
Old
06-19-2012, 05:06 PM
  #39
Et le But
Moderator
 
Et le But's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: New York
Country: Argentina
Posts: 16,847
vCash: 500
I'd rather draft Forsberg than trade for Ryan.

I don't see us having assets besides our pick that will get us Ryan without taking a major step back elsewhere.

Et le But is offline  
Old
06-19-2012, 05:08 PM
  #40
Roke
Registered User
 
Roke's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Winnipeg
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,882
vCash: 500
Senators' official twitter account just tweeted that they've signed Karlsson to a 7-year contract. Will be interesting to see how big the if there is an overpay is considering he had a great year but was only getting 2nd-pairing matchups so the minutes weren't too tough.

Roke is offline  
Old
06-19-2012, 05:10 PM
  #41
Monctonscout
Monctonscout
 
Monctonscout's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 28,962
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roke View Post
Senators' official twitter account just tweeted that they've signed Karlsson to a 7-year contract. Will be interesting to see how big the if there is an overpay is considering he had a great year but was only getting 2nd-pairing matchups so the minutes weren't too tough.
I expect 7 years 43-44 mil.

Monctonscout is offline  
Old
06-19-2012, 05:26 PM
  #42
Roke
Registered User
 
Roke's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Winnipeg
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,882
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carey Price View Post
I expect 7 years 43-44 mil.

Almost spot on. Bob McKenzie tweeted 7 years, $6.5m/year (45.5m). Not a great deal but not a bad one. If Karlsson can step into tough minutes in a year or two without a big drop in production Ottawa will come out more than okay.

Roke is offline  
Old
06-19-2012, 05:29 PM
  #43
habtastic
Registered User
 
habtastic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Mumbai via MTL
Country: India
Posts: 8,527
vCash: 500
I think Karlsson is making more than that contract in Alfredsson family babysitting fees.

habtastic is offline  
Old
06-19-2012, 05:30 PM
  #44
DekeLikeYouMeanIt
Ohhhh you mad
 
DekeLikeYouMeanIt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: In space..with goats
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,970
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roke View Post
Almost spot on. Bob McKenzie tweeted 7 years, $6.5m/year (45.5m). Not a great deal but not a bad one. If Karlsson can step into tough minutes in a year or two without a big drop in production Ottawa will come out more than okay.
Derp what? He played as much as Subban did for us.

Speaking of which, PK won't be getting any less than 4mil for sure....

DekeLikeYouMeanIt is offline  
Old
06-19-2012, 05:35 PM
  #45
Roke
Registered User
 
Roke's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Winnipeg
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,882
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Habsolument90 View Post
Derp what? He played as much as Subban did for us.

Speaking of which, PK won't be getting any less than 4mil for sure....
I was speaking in terms of quality/difficulty rather than quantity. Subban was hard-matched against the opposition's best and had a Ozone%( % of non-neutral even-strength faceoffs started in the offensive zone) of 46.3% of less than 50% while Karlsson had an Ozone% of 57.1%. That's a sizeable difference where one guy is carrying the load defensively and another guy is being put in a position to put up offensive numbers.

This is along the lines of the discussion in the Player Usage Chart thread. Karlsson's usage for Ottawa this past season was fairly similar to Erhoff in his last season in Vancouver though not as generous. Subban's usage was along the lines of defensemen like Shea Weber or Chara

Roke is offline  
Old
06-19-2012, 05:35 PM
  #46
Monctonscout
Monctonscout
 
Monctonscout's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 28,962
vCash: 500
Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie
If ANA moves Ryan I suspect it would be for two or three building block pieces that would increase organizational depth but not payroll.

I assume that would mean 2 of Beaulieu LeBlanc Tinordi Gallagher 2012 or 2013 1st etc plus maybe a B prospect. I would offer our 2013 1st plus Kristo and Weber...doubt they would accept but worth a shot.

Monctonscout is offline  
Old
06-19-2012, 05:36 PM
  #47
Shabutie
Registered User
 
Shabutie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Ottawa
Country: Portugal
Posts: 15,628
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Habsolument90 View Post
Derp what? He played as much as Subban did for us.

Speaking of which, PK won't be getting any less than 4mil for sure....
Karlsson played softer minutes though (didn't play against top lines). Phillips/Cowen were getting the tougher minutes.

Definitely not worth 6.5m yet...but maybe it'll work out for them. Hoping that Subban signs for 4.5m for 3-4 years.

Shabutie is offline  
Old
06-19-2012, 05:38 PM
  #48
Jean_Jacket41
Neely = HOF
 
Jean_Jacket41's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: With the smurfs
Country: Canada
Posts: 9,680
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Habsolument90 View Post
Derp what? He played as much as Subban did for us.

Speaking of which, PK won't be getting any less than 4mil for sure....
My guess is that Subban will get Myers money (5-5.5M per for 5-7y).

Jean_Jacket41 is offline  
Old
06-19-2012, 05:38 PM
  #49
DekeLikeYouMeanIt
Ohhhh you mad
 
DekeLikeYouMeanIt's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: In space..with goats
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,970
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roke View Post
I was speaking in terms of quality/difficulty rather than quantity. Subban was hard-matched against the opposition's best and had a Ozone%( % of non-neutral even-strength faceoffs started in the offensive zone) of 46.3% of less than 50% while Karlsson had an Ozone% of 57.1%. That's a sizeable difference where one guy is carrying the load defensively and another guy is being put in a position to put up offensive numbers.
I get it now. True but the truth is, they spent a lot of time in the offensive zone because he was on the ice. So it's also a by-product of his presence.

Carey, that's a serious offer. I think they would think very hard about that.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Jean_Jacket41 View Post
My guess is that Subban will get Myers money (5-5.5M per for 5-7y).
You wish.

DekeLikeYouMeanIt is offline  
Old
06-19-2012, 05:39 PM
  #50
Monctonscout
Monctonscout
 
Monctonscout's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 28,962
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Habsolument90 View Post
Derp what? He played as much as Subban did for us.

Speaking of which, PK won't be getting any less than 4mil for sure....
It depends on the term. The longer we sign PK for the higher the cap hit(up to 7-8 years anyways).

If he signs for 2 years it's around 4 mil/year. The risk in taht is if he has a Karlsson type break out and then costs 6.5-7 mil/year after those 2 years.

OR

You can go 5-6 years and up to 4.75-5.5/year...3.5-4.5-5.5-6-6.5 26 mil over 5 years or 32 mil over 6 and share the risk.

Ottawa definitely didn't get Karlsson cheap but if he is a perennial all star he'll earn it, if he has more growing pains going forward it could start looking bad.

Monctonscout is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:56 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.