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Sens re-sign Erik Karlsson (7 years, $6.5M cap hit)

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06-19-2012, 07:08 PM
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he's worth it!

Congratulations Sens fans, he's on a short list of players that I love to watch that aren't Sabres.

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When Chris Kelly gets 3 million over 4 years, you have to believe that salaries are going up.

The cap is going up, teams have more space, that's just the way it is.

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Good for the Sens to lock him down. Personally, though, that is insane money to give to a kid who still has a chance to average out. 1 awesome year and 1 good one does not equal a 7 year 6.5 mil contract in my books. As a Blues fan, I'm assuming this contract is what Petro will look at when negotiating a longer deal so ******* you Murray.
Blame Doughty. He started it.

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Blame Doughty. He started it.
Doughty was outright beastly though in the playoffs.

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Just wait you have to re-sign Pk & Carey... (5.5 &4.0)
I'm aware. We'll see. It depends the money too. Hell, if PK and Carey take 2 mil a year, sure, 15 years, I don't care.

I think PK should ask for 4-4.5 and Carey like 6. I'd be comfortable with that but...watch it be more for Carey.

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Not a fan of the contract after one impressive year. I thought something like 3 years at 5M keeping RFA status and letting him prove himself would have been ideal.

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Doughty was outright beastly though in the playoffs.
Yeah, he certainly vindicated the contract.

At the time though, people were wondering. Of course, missing camp is always a challenge.

Statistically, he was the comparable.

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Good deal for both sides. Second contract doesn't apply when you're the highest scoring defensemen by a staggering margin at 21.

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Another way of looking at it:

Karlsson takes up 9% of the team's cap space.

He spends 42% of an Ottawa Senators game on the ice.

He is directly offensively involved in 32% of Ottawa Senators goals.

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I guess it's a fair deal. Not a great deal, not a bad one either. The Sens HAVE to pay him, they have no choice. If I were a Sens fan, I would be a bit worried though. EK had an amazing season, but that only means very high expectations for the next season. A contract like this only increases those expectations. Expectations that are very difficult to meet. Best case scenario, Ek continues to be a 60+ pt player, so its a fair deal. On the other hand, he is a young player, and could very easily regress.

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Another way of looking at it:

Karlsson takes up 9% of the team's cap space.

He spends 42% of an Ottawa Senators game on the ice.

He is directly offensively involved in 32% of Ottawa Senators goals.
Especially with the rising cap, this is about $5 million per year in 2005/2006.

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06-19-2012, 07:18 PM
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I'm aware. We'll see. It depends the money too. Hell, if PK and Carey take 2 mil a year, sure, 15 years, I don't care.

I think PK should ask for 4-4.5 and Carey like 6. I'd be comfortable with that but...watch it be more for Carey.
Carey's deal has myself and I'm sure other B's fans watching closely.

Those numbers are on point tho. I suspect they will also be front loaded.

Habs are going to be a force that's for sure and I'm glad

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The fact remains that while 6.5 is a great deal, it's an outstanding deal when you consider the fact that we had to sign him.

He is the face of the franchise, our best player, the most exciting player Ottawa has ever had, and has crazy marketing potential and hair.

He could have asked for 7.5 and been stubborn until he got his way - but rest assured he would have got his way. We just can't afford to let him leave.

Glad to see he showed some class and wants the organization to succeed.
The .5M is for his hair.

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06-19-2012, 07:22 PM
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Carey's deal has myself and I'm sure other B's fans watching closely.

Those numbers are on point tho. I suspect they will also be front loaded.

Habs are going to be a force that's for sure and I'm glad
I suspect we may see bruins fans being happy about the deal. Those two (along with max) are the core going forward and pretty much will be paid handsomely to stay around.

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That's a great deal. Karlsson is just one of those players that you know will put up a lot of points.

He should be a lock for 50+ points every season barring injury and if he can get near PPG at this age, he can do quite a bit of things in these 7 years.

This was supposed to be the money they should have spent on Chara. I still think that the Sens cost themselves the Cup by signing Redden over him.

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Good contract for both sides. Senators keep their stud long term while Karlsson gets big money and becomes a UFA as he is still in his prime.

Win/Win

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It's a bit ironic...but this was supposed to be the money they should have spent on Chara. I still think that the Sens cost themselves the Cup by not signing him.
Chara wouldn't actually accept 6.5 million.

That was the reason he left.

He wanted 7.5 million, and he wanted 5 years. This was the maximum salary possible under the cap at the time.

Ottawa still had to sign Heatley and Spezza the following year, and Redden was willing to go as low as 6 million (if Chara signed for 6) or 6.5 million over a much shorter term of 3 years.

And, unfortunately for Chara, he'd played with a broken wrist and was horrendous in the playoffs that year.

Chara is certainly worth the value of his contract, but there were reasons why they didn't give him what he wanted.

It was still a very divisive decision at the time. Chara was/is a unique quantity in the league, and he's proven that with Boston.

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That's a great deal. Karlsson is just one of those players that you know will put up a lot of points.

He should be a lock for 50+ points every season barring injury and if he can get near PPG at this age, he can do quite a bit of things in these 7 years.

This was supposed to be the money they should have spent on Chara. I still think that the Sens cost themselves the Cup by signing Redden over him.
Sens fans are right there with you. ****ing Muckler.

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so the people saying he deserves more than Doughty cause he may win the Norris tomorrow....... Doughty has 1 stanley cup

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Chara wouldn't actually accept 6.5 million.

That was the reason he left.

He wanted 7.5 million, and he wanted 5 years. This was the maximum salary possible under the cap at the time.

Ottawa still had to sign Heatley and Spezza the following year, and Redden was willing to go as low as 6 million (if Chara signed for 6) or 6.5 million over a much shorter term of 3 years.

And, unfortunately for Chara, he'd played with a broken wrist and was horrendous in the playoffs that year.

Chara is certainly worth the value of his contract, but there were reasons why they didn't give him what he wanted.

It was still a very divisive decision at the time. Chara was/is a unique quantity in the league, and he's proven that with Boston.
There are reports he wanted the C too, and we all know that would be unacceptable in Ottawa.

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so the people saying he deserves more than Doughty cause he may win the Norris tomorrow....... Doughty has 1 stanley cup
He didn't have a Stanley Cup when he got his contract. It's all about comparables when you are talking contracts in the NHL.

At the time of signing the contract:

Doughty had one Norris nomination
Karlsson has one Norris nomination (that may be a win)

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so the people saying he deserves more than Doughty cause he may win the Norris tomorrow....... Doughty has 1 stanley cup
Yeah, I don't think anyone is saying that.

Doughty's playoff performance outshines anything Karlsson has done in his career to date.

Not to mention, his Olympic games.

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There are reports he wanted the C too, and we all know that would be unacceptable in Ottawa.
I heard that, but I heard it as, "he wanted a leadership position with the team".

I never quite found out if it really was the C off of Alfredsson's jersey and on to his. He was already an Assistant, so maybe that's what people inferred.

He certainly got his opportunity as Captain in Boston.

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True #1 dmen (Doughty, Chara, Lidstrom, Weber)

- Special teams play of more than 1 minute per game
-True shut down play
- 3+ Norris Nominations
- 1+ Norris Winner
- 3+ ASG appearances
- More than 3 years of consistent play that is top 10 league wide in all categories.
It's funny you list Doughty as a true #1 dman when he doesn't even have all your qualifications that you just presented.

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I'm sorry, I like the Sens, and Karlsson.... but really?

First two points indicate nothing about being #1 defenseman. The bolded is opinion. Italicized is more a set of irrelevant points (age, 21? That means nothing! Been in the ASG? An ASG for OFFENSE? Hosted in OTTAWA?! And who wouldn't be 'nominated' for Norris with those point totals? Doesn't mean he has a chance of winning...).

You will have to do far better than that list full of empty BS (what, are we writing a college essay?). I do not believe he is a #1 at all yet. Top 4, yes. Elite offensively with limitless potential? For sure... a true #1 now (not just serving as that)? Nope. Not yet.

I really wouldn't care at all but the defensiveness and blind homerism sometimes....
So on what basis can you definitively say that he is NOT a #1 defenceman?

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