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06-19-2012, 07:42 AM
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Hey **** butter - up the salary then.... look at the space I have (not sure if right) - plug in Dominic Moore for cheaper - at this point it's all speculation.

One thing is for certain on my roster - CARLE is not there, you like that?
Well in seeing how your roster is complete fantasy and might as well be for NHL 12. Your not having Carle on the roster couldn't be more irrelevant. How much insight can there be when you have Gaustad take a paycut to play on the 4th line. I could see Gaustad jumping for joy at that opportunity.

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Well in seeing how your roster is complete fantasy and might as well be for NHL 12. Your not having Carle on the roster couldn't be more irrelevant. How much insight can there be when you have Gaustad take a paycut to play on the 4th line. I could see Gaustad jumping for joy at that opportunity.
I guess in your fantasy world Carle is a good/great player....

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Also, I love having the short-handed threat, but I hate Giroux killing penalties...wastes his energy, and it's a broken foot waiting to happen
I made suggestion that our top players like Giroux, Schenn, Voracek, Couturier, etc....shouldn't be penalty killing because blocking shots can result in an injury. Someone on here stated that our star players should block shots. I don't want our star guys blocking shots at all. Schenn was out for how many weeks after taking a shot off the foot? JVR was out how many weeks after taking a shot off the foot? Unless said player is a strictly a defensive specialist/3-4th line player, under no circumstances should they be blocking shots.

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I made suggestion that our top players like Giroux, Schenn, Voracek, Couturier, etc....shouldn't be penalty killing because blocking shots can result in an injury. Someone on here stated that our star players should block shots. I don't want our star guys blocking shots at all. Schenn was out for how many weeks after taking a shot off the foot? JVR was out how many weeks after taking a shot off the foot? Unless said player is a strictly a defensive specialist/3-4th line player, under no circumstances should they be blocking shots.
That is what I hate about our 3/4th liners. They really have no potential to kill penalties. Rinaldo would really help his status if he could kill penalties.

Talbot and wellwood are the only guys i see killing penalties from the 3/4 lines. Couturier as well, though I wish he wouldn't. Please get Giroux off the Pk though.

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I made suggestion that our top players like Giroux, Schenn, Voracek, Couturier, etc....shouldn't be penalty killing because blocking shots can result in an injury. Someone on here stated that our star players should block shots. I don't want our star guys blocking shots at all. Schenn was out for how many weeks after taking a shot off the foot? JVR was out how many weeks after taking a shot off the foot? Unless said player is a strictly a defensive specialist/3-4th line player, under no circumstances should they be blocking shots.
Only real reason to have Giroux out on the kill is for the potential short-handed scoring opportunities. And, as we've seen during his career, it's a damn good reason because he converts such opportunities into goals regularly. Still, I'm with you... the possibility of having Giroux get injured because he blocked a shot -- or whatever else -- on the PK is an unnecessary and foolish risk to be taking with your best, most impactful player.

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I made suggestion that our top players like Giroux, Schenn, Voracek, Couturier, etc....shouldn't be penalty killing because blocking shots can result in an injury. Someone on here stated that our star players should block shots. I don't want our star guys blocking shots at all. Schenn was out for how many weeks after taking a shot off the foot? JVR was out how many weeks after taking a shot off the foot? Unless said player is a strictly a defensive specialist/3-4th line player, under no circumstances should they be blocking shots.
Carter was out how many times on broken feet?

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I guess in your fantasy world Carle is a good/great player....
It's in the real World that Carle is a very good player. And he is considered a very good player by the Flyers and the rest of the professional Hockey Community.

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It's in the real World that Carle is a very good player. And he is considered a very good player by the Flyers and the rest of the professional Hockey Community.
I wouldn't be upset if we let him walk. Carle is a solid defenseman, 2nd pairing on a contender, 1st pairing on lesser teams.

I won't say guys like him grow on trees, but they become expendable and are easily replaced via FA most years or via trade most of the time.


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I wouldn't be upset if we let him walk. Carle is a solid defenseman, 2nd pairing on a contender, 1st pairing on lesser teams.

I won't say guys like him grow on trees, but they become expendable and are easily replaced via FA most years or via trade most of the time.
Well who can they get that can easily replace Carle?

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To be honest, I don't think replacing Carle should be an issue. We should be happy with CCGM (Coburn, Carle, Meszaros, Grossmann) moving forward. They're all <27 years old and should be coming into their best hockey.

We need to worry about replacing Pronger+Timonen, which is easier said than done. I am hoping we can grab a young, physical two-way defensemen - preferably a right-hander - like Bogosian, E. or J. Johnson, Carlson, MDZ, Gudbranson, Subban, Shattenkirk, ... - Obviously most of these types of players aren't available but I'm sure we can find someone. Perhaps whoever we draft with the 20th overall this year might develop into the kind of defensemen we need? (Slater K!) While that might be quite a few years away unless they're playing as a 19 year old, it would be really nice to have something in the pipeline instead of trying to snatch guys from other people's pipelines.

Tobias Enstrom should be #1 priority next offseason for this team, IMO. Especially with the upcoming loss of Timonen. Going into the 2012-13 season, however, it might be wise for them to use some assets -- Bob, JVR -- to try and acquire a young stud for our blueline. Perhaps we can acquire a young puck mover or two-way guy this year, like Ryan Ellis, David Savard, Brandon Gormley or Stefan Elliot, and try and sign a more physical two-way guy next year (if Shea Weber signs a 1 year deal again, he'll hit the UFA market. Biggest name to hit the market in a long time and we should be ALL OVER IT and we will be). If Gormley is available, which I doubt, we should jump on it.

Overall, I truly think that there might be better options for improving our defense either at the trade deadline or next offseason. Unless we can acquire a young stud I don't think we should waste our assets for a quick fix. Maybe CCMG will develop more as they come into their prime like we saw from Coburn this past year. If Grossmann can show he can be a pure shut-down top-4 guy and Meszaros returns back to his Ashbee-winning form while Carle smartens up as a steady puck-mover, we should be fine. I would like to us add a stop-gap this year if we do decide to roll with the core we have now.

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Now going into the Jagr situation, the only reason I see us not signing him is if we land a much better forward. I could see us having heavy interest in Rick Nash and Bobby Ryan or any forward that Holmgren might have his eye on. Chances are they'll be an improvement over Jagr and therefore an improvement on our forward core. I'm hoping for another young, physical scorer and there are a ton of these players around the league. Even if we do end up falling back on Jagr or even if we don't sign another winger, our forward core looks slick:

Centers: Giroux, Briere, Schenn, Couturier, Talbot.
Left-wingers: Hartnell, van Riemsdyk, Wellwood, Rinaldo.
Right-wingers: Voracek, Simmonds, Read.

Lots of versatility up front. I still think we need to add more defensive responsable forwards or hope our young guys take the next step devensively (which I feel is very important for our success) and hopefully whoever Holmgren targets is a solid two-way player. Our center depth is ridiculous and should only get better as they develop. JVR, Simmonds, Voracek, Schenn, Couturier, Read and Wellwood all have a chance to take the next step in their development and this only means our team will get better. Adding a name like Ryan or Nash would be icing on the cake.

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4 keys to this next season:

1. Ilya Bryzgalov; if Bryz continues with lackluster play we don't stand a chance. However, if we 'returns to form' and becomes a legit starter - not an elite starter - we have a chance to become an elite cup contender. Even with a porous defense, which I don't think we will have, Ilya Bryzgalov can push this offensive juggernaut that management has built into a true force.

2. Emergence of young players; as I mentioned before, our biggest acquistion this offseason might be another year on the belts of our young stars like Couturier, Schenn, Voracek and JVR. Improving on our forward core from last year from the growth in our players is the entire reason we got younger in trading Richards+Carter. We already had a good team with no future, now we have a good team that SHOULD only get better.

3. Healthy defense; We need to keep Timonen fresh and healthy for the post season. Hopefully CCGM can alleviate some of his work load in the coming year while also staying healthy himself. We have 5 defensemen who can all long decent minutes (20+) and if we add another we should be able to keep everyone fresh and not overworked.

4. CCGM; Coburn, Carle, Grossmann, Meszaros. They need to be on their game, especially if we don't add a 'Norris quality' defensemen. We have seen glimpses of how good they can be over the past two year and we need to see that full-time or close to it next year.

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Offseason, please be over soon. I'm tired of speculation...

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Well who can they get that can easily replace Carle?
You can start with Suter in FA and while I'm currently not a GM, I highly doubt the trade market is totally dry right now on defensemen that are as good as or better than Carle.

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You can start with Suter in FA and while I'm currently not a GM, I highly doubt the trade market is totally dry right now on defensemen that are as good as or better than Carle.
That's one player, who has to agree to play here. And he will be costly. And you'll have to outbid other teams. One player certainly doesn't qualify as "being easy to replace." So what else do you got?

The bottom line, is that defenseman of Carle's ability and production are not easy to replace. Anyone with the ability to properly assess a player, is aware of that.

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You can start with Suter in FA and while I'm currently not a GM, I highly doubt the trade market is totally dry right now on defensemen that are as good as or better than Carle.
It is not looking like Suter will want to come to the Flyers and I can't blame him with the style we run. Its not exactly a style that free agent D's should come flocking to. If we get a top D we will have to get him through a trade.

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That's one player,
Not the only one, a player I said to start with


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who has to agree to play here. And he will be costly. And you'll have to outbid other teams.
That's usually how free agency works.

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One player certainly doesn't qualify as "being easy to replace." So what else do you got?
I said Suter was one player to START with. He certainly isn't the only UFA that could replace Carle. There are more than likely others available, via trade. I haven't seen any reports that GM's are holding onto their 2nd pairing defensemen with two fists.

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The bottom line, is that defenseman of Carle's ability and production are not easy to replace. Anyone with the ability to properly assess a player, is aware of that.
The term easy is subjective. Easy for a GM, difficult for someone like you. If that was the case, every team that lost a solid defenseman would be SOL, and that's obviously not the case. The league is full of teams that have easily replaced defensemen like Carle, and ones better.

He's Matt Carle, not Bobby Orr. Jeez.

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Not the only one, a player I said to start with




That's usually how free agency works.



I said Suter was one player to START with. He certainly isn't the only UFA that could replace Carle. There are more than likely others available, via trade. I haven't seen any reports that GM's are holding onto their 2nd pairing defensemen with two fists.



The term easy is subjective. Easy for a GM, difficult for someone like you. If that was the case, every team that lost a solid defenseman would be SOL, and that's obviously not the case. The league is full of teams that have easily replaced defensemen like Carle, and ones better.

He's Matt Carle, not Bobby Orr. Jeez.
Easy for a GM? LOL. Defenseman of Carle's ability are at a premium. GM's aren't eager to trade them away. You keep telling me how easy he is to replace. But you just make generalizations. Who are all these defenseman equal to Carle that are available in a trade?

And I didn't in any way say that Carle can't be replaced, so your comment that he's Matt Carle, not Bobby Orr, is asinine.

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Easy for a GM? LOL. Defenseman of Carle's ability are at a premium.
First pairing defensemen come at a premium, not 2nd pairing guys.

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GM's aren't eager to trade them away.
In the right package, anyone is obtainable. Sometimes GM's have no choice when it comes to a trade.

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You keep telling me how easy he is to replace. But you just make generalizations.
History has proven that defensemen of Carle's ability, and better, have been replaced time and time again.

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Who are all these defenseman equal to Carle that are available in a trade?
If you really believe that GM's across the league have "frozen" all trades for 2nd pairing defensemen, I've got a bridge to sell you.

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And I didn't in any way say that Carle can't be replaced, so your comment that he's Matt Carle, not Bobby Orr, is asinine.
So we agree, Matt Carle is replaceable. I think it's easy, you think it's a gargantuan task. A difference of semantics.

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First pairing defensemen come at a premium, not 2nd pairing guys.
All quality defenseman that are capable of playing high minutes, come at a premium. Offensive puck moving defenseman such as Carle, come at an even higher premium. And Carle has show that he absolutely can play on a first pair.


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In the right package, anyone is obtainable. Sometimes GM's have no choice when it comes to a trade.
No such thing as a GM having no choice in making a trade. They can always say no. And saying that anyone is obtainable, doesn't mean it's easy to replace a player


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History has proven that defensemen of Carle's ability, and better, have been replaced time and time again.
History has shown that every player has been replaced. Doesn't mean it's easy to do so. Quality defenseman aren't readily available around the League.


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LMAO. Yea, because that's what I said


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So we agree, Matt Carle is replaceable. I think it's easy, you think it's a gargantuan task. A difference of semantics.
Incorrect. I never stated that it's a gargantuan task. Your words,not mine. And that's another asinine statement. You still haven't backed up that it's easy to replace Carle. You named one player.

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All quality defenseman that are capable of playing high minutes, come at a premium. Offensive puck moving defenseman such as Carle, come at an even higher premium. And Carle has show that he absolutely can play on a first pair.
He can definitely play on a 1st pair on lesser teams but Matt Carle isn't in a 1st pairing on a Stanley Cup winner.

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No such thing as a GM having no choice in making a trade. They can always say no. And saying that anyone is obtainable, doesn't mean it's easy to replace a player
Yes there is. One example is called impending FA. Trade him for something because you're not/can't resign him. Players also wear out their welcome on certain teams and get moved. New coaches are hired and change personnel, and sometimes even owners get involved. There's four examples of GM's not having a choice, smart ones anyway.

I guess you forgot about Ray Bourque leaving Boston, for starters.


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History has shown that every player has been replaced.
Exactly, and replacing Matt Carle isn't hard. Teams have replaced better players than him.

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Doesn't mean it's easy to do so. Quality defenseman aren't readily available around the League.
And you've been working the phones heading up to the draft, so that's why you know this?

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LMAO. Yea, because that's what I said
Well if you think it isn't easy, how do you describe the task of replacing Carle? Fill in the blank in the following sentence.

Matt Carle will be __________ to replace.

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Incorrect. I never stated that it's a gargantuan task. Your words,not mine. And that's another asinine statement. You still haven't backed up that it's easy to replace Carle. You named one player.
I don't have to back up the obvious. NHL history is full of teams losing players of Carle's ability, and replacing them with equal and sometimes even better players. It happens year after year.

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He can definitely play on a 1st pair on lesser teams but Matt Carle isn't in a 1st pairing on a Stanley Cup winner.
That's an opinion, not a fact. Carle was an excellent compliment to Pronger and they made an excellent top pairing for the Flyers.


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Yes there is. One example is called impending FA. Trade him for something because you're not/can't resign him. Players also wear out their welcome on certain teams and get moved. New coaches are hired and change personnel, and sometimes even owners get involved. There's four examples of GM's not having a choice, smart ones anyway.

I guess you forgot about Ray Bourque leaving Boston, for starters.
There is no such thing as a GM not having a choice in making a trade. The always have the option to turn down a trade.


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Exactly, and replacing Matt Carle isn't hard. Teams have replaced better players than him.
The fact that teams are able to replace a player, doesn't mean it was easy. Quality defenseman are not readily available in quantity.


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And you've been working the phones heading up to the draft, so that's why you know this?
There's that thing you referred to earlier called history. Quality top 4 NHL defenseman aren't traded around the League in any quantity. There's a huge difference between possible to replace, and easy to replace. A distinction that you are apparently unaware of.


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I don't have to back up the obvious. NHL history is full of teams losing players of Carle's ability, and replacing them with equal and sometimes even better players. It happens year after year.
Really, how many times did it happen last year. How many quality top 4 NHL defenseman changed hands? Again, big difference between possible and easy.

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That's an opinion, not a fact. Carle was an excellent compliment to Pronger and they made an excellent top pairing for the Flyers.
It is a fact because they didn't win a cup with that first pairing.


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There is no such thing as a GM not having a choice in making a trade. The always have the option to turn down a trade.
I guess you missed the end of my previous reply.....smart ones anyway. Yes a dumb GM would hang onto a guy he knew he couldn't or wouldn't be resigning, and letting him walk for nothing. Teams have even started trading "negotiating rights" just to get something instead of nothing.


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The fact that teams are able to replace a player, doesn't mean it was easy. Quality defenseman are not readily available in quantity.
Again, semantics. Quantity is irrelevant, were only talking about replacing Carle. All it takes is one to be available. An educated guess by any rational person would be that there is at least one defensemen on one of the 29 other teams that is as good as or better than Carle, and is available via trade. There are also UFA's.


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There's that thing you referred to earlier called history. Quality top 4 NHL defenseman aren't traded around the League in any quantity. There's a huge difference between possible to replace, and easy to replace. A distinction that you are apparently unaware of.
Haven't seen any reports of the market being dry for 2nd pairing defensemen this summer.


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Really, how many times did it happen last year. How many quality top 4 NHL defenseman changed hands? Again, big difference between possible and easy.
How many changed hands is irrelevant. The question would be, how many teams were shopping for 2nd pairing defensemen, and was the market non existent last summer.

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It is a fact because they didn't win a cup with that first pairing.
It is a fact that they didn't win the Cup that Season. It's not a fact that they can't win a Cup with Carle on a top pair. That's simply your opinion.


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I guess you missed the end of my previous reply.....smart ones anyway. Yes a dumb GM would hang onto a guy he knew he couldn't or wouldn't be resigning, and letting him walk for nothing. Teams have even started trading "negotiating rights" just to get something instead of nothing.
How do players reach Free Agency then? There must be a lot of dumb GM's then. Because there are top quality players that reach Free Agency every year. Remember that history that you talked about?



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Again, semantics. Quantity is irrelevant, were only talking about replacing Carle. All it takes is one to be available. An educated guess by any rational person would be that there is at least one defensemen on one of the 29 other teams that is as good as or better than Carle, and is available via trade. There are also UFA's.
It's not semantics at all. And quantity is certainly relevant. Because chances are your not the only team that is going to be looking to improve and add a top 4 quality defenseman. How many defenseman that are equal to Carle are available as a UFA? So you really think that there is one top 4 NHL defenseman from every team that is available? It's worse then I thought it was.



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Haven't seen any reports of the market being dry for 2nd pairing defensemen this summer.
Didn't say it was dry. How many defenseman of the same quality as Carle are going to be available. We read all the time from professional NHL people that a lot of teams are looking for defense. That means it's in high demand, and not easy to get. You couldn't possibly be more wrong here.



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How many changed hands is irrelevant. The question would be, how many teams were shopping for 2nd pairing defensemen, and was the market non existent last summer.
It's absolutely relevant. Because by your statement that it is easy to replace, suggests that there are many available. Again, that is incorrect. And any observer that is in touch with the League, is aware that it isn't easy. It's not impossible, and it can happen. But they are at a premium and the cost is high.

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It is a fact that they didn't win the Cup that Season. It's not a fact that they can't win a Cup with Carle on a top pair. That's simply your opinion.
Until it happens, it remains a fact.


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How do players reach Free Agency then? There must be a lot of dumb GM's then. Because there are top quality players that reach Free Agency every year. Remember that history that you talked about?
Yes there are quite a few, and the GM's who let quality players walk without getting anything in return have made a dumb decision by doing so. That's why some players get traded in the last year of their contract before the deadline.


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It's not semantics at all.
Yes it is. You want to make it about the word "easy."

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How many defenseman that are equal to Carle are available as a UFA?
At least one, Suter, and probably others.

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So you really think that there is one top 4 NHL defenseman from every team that is available? It's worse then I thought it was.
No, I didn't say that at all. That's you twisting words. I'll post it again for you.

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there is at least one defensemen on one of the 29 other teams that is as good as or better than Carle, and is available via trade.
Notice that says at least ONE defenseman on ONE of the other 29 teams, not ALL 29 teams. Please stop twisting my words.

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Didn't say it was dry. How many defenseman of the same quality as Carle are going to be available.
There are discussions going on right now leading up to the draft involving many teams. It's naive to think there are no defensemen as good as Carle in those discussions. In fact it's practically impossible.

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We read all the time from professional NHL people that a lot of teams are looking for defense. That means it's in high demand, and not easy to get. You couldn't possibly be more wrong here.
Again, easy is subjective.

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It's absolutely relevant. Because by your statement that it is easy to replace, suggests that there are many available. Again, that is incorrect. And any observer that is in touch with the League, is aware that it isn't easy.
If it wasn't easy to replace, teams would rarely be able to do it. History has shown that guys of Carle's caliber and better, have been easily replaced, and will continue to be replaced. You don't have to be in touch with the league to realize that.

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It's not impossible, and it can happen. But they are at a premium and the cost is high.
Of course, 2nd pairing defensemen come at a high cost.


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Until it happens, it remains a fact.
Yea, because it hasn't happened yet, means that it can't happen? Maybe in your World, and your twisted logic


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Yes there are quite a few, and the GM's who let quality players walk without getting anything in return have made a dumb decision by doing so. That's why some players get traded in the last year of their contract before the deadline.
One fact that you obviously overlook is that it takes two to tango. And some players that are upcoming Free Agents, and not traded by their team, because they are in a playoff position. Lot's of factors here that you have clearly overlooked. But I guess that makes them dumb. The only thing dumb is your statements here.



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Yes it is. You want to make it about the word "easy."
It isn't about easy? It's about your statement that a player like Carle is easy to replace. Which is an uninformed statement


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At least one, Suter, and probably others.
Probably others? There are 2 defenseman available in Free Agency this year that are comparable to Carle. And how many teams looking for defense?


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No, I didn't say that at all. That's you twisting words. I'll post it again for you.



Notice that says at least ONE defenseman on ONE of the other 29 teams, not ALL 29 teams. Please stop twisting my words.
My mistake then. But that's good, because it proves my point. You speculate that there is at least one available. And how many interested in adding that player?


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There are discussions going on right now leading up to the draft involving many teams. It's naive to think there are no defensemen as good as Carle in those discussions. In fact it's practically impossible.
it's asinine for you to suggest that I made any statement that comes even close to saying that there are no defenseman being discussed among NHL teams as good as Carle. But discussing those players and actually acquiring one, is two different things.


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Again, easy is subjective.
No it's not subjective. It's a ridiculous and uninformed statement to say that a player like Carle is easily replaced.


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If it wasn't easy to replace, teams would rarely be able to do it. History has shown that guys of Carle's caliber and better, have been easily replaced, and will continue to be replaced. You don't have to be in touch with the league to realize that.
No history doesn't tell you that a player of Carle's caliber is easily replaced. If it was, team's wouldn't have the need of adding a puck moving defenseman. Just because something is done, doesn't make it easy. Any NHL exec will tell you that quality defenseman are not readily available, and aren't easy to replace if you lose one. The bottom line is that your statement is woefully incorrect. By any standard

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Yea, because it hasn't happened yet, means that it can't happen? Maybe in your World, and your twisted logic
In all likelihood it wouldn't happen. If he was paired with a stud of all studs, then maybe. The odds of that are less than 1%.


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One fact that you obviously overlook is that it takes two to tango. And some players that are upcoming Free Agents, and not traded by their team, because they are in a playoff position. Lot's of factors here that you have clearly overlooked. But I guess that makes them dumb. The only thing dumb is your statements here.
Of course it takes two to tango. No one plucks players off of other teams rosters. Players on teams in playoff runs is obvious and a given. No need to mention every possible scenario under the sun.


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It isn't about easy? It's about your statement that a player like Carle is easy to replace. Which is an uninformed statement
Sorry, but he is easy to replace. The Flyers defense isn't going to crumble to nothing all because Matt Carle leaves. Has the guy even made an all star team in his illustrious career?

If teams can replace HOF defensemen, Matt Carle can easily be replaced.


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Probably others? There are 2 defenseman available in Free Agency this year that are comparable to Carle. And how many teams looking for defense?
Yes probably others. It doesn't matter how many teams are looking for defense. If anything the Flyers with their youth up front are probably in one of the best positions to acquire a 2nd pairing guy to replace Carle.

On that note, let me add to my position on replacing Carle. Replacing Matt Carle via trade should be easier for the Flyers than most teams in the NHL due to their depth up front.

There, that sounds better.


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My mistake then. But that's good, because it proves my point. You speculate that there is at least one available. And how many interested in adding that player?
You would have to ask a few GM's to get a close to accurate count on how many teams are looking for defensemen and how many are discussed during this week. My guess would be at least one, and up to as many as 10.

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it's asinine for you to suggest that I made any statement that comes even close to saying that there are no defenseman being discussed among NHL teams as good as Carle. But discussing those players and actually acquiring one, is two different things.
And the Flyers have more youth than most teams which a lot of GM's are looking for in a trade.

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No it's not subjective. It's a ridiculous and uninformed statement to say that a player like Carle is easily replaced.
If players better than Carle have been replaced time and time again, it's easy to replace him. History proves that.


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No history doesn't tell you that a player of Carle's caliber is easily replaced. If it was, team's wouldn't have the need of adding a puck moving defenseman. Just because something is done, doesn't make it easy. Any NHL exec will tell you that quality defenseman are not readily available, and aren't easy to replace if you lose one. The bottom line is that your statement is woefully incorrect. By any standard
History tells me that teams have replaced players of higher caliber than Matt Carle, and done it rather easily. Pick up the phone and talk to other GM's or submit an offer to a UFA. Real hard tasks there.

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