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DousedInOil's 5th Annual Draft Ranking (AKA "Official Draft Thread: Part VIII")

View Poll Results: Who should the Oilers choose with their 2nd round pick?
Ludvig Bystrom 4 2.80%
Jordan Schmaltz 1 0.70%
Dalton Thrower 31 21.68%
Ville Pokka 1 0.70%
Stefan Matteau 0 0%
Tanner Pearson 2 1.40%
Jarrod Maidens 1 0.70%
Daniil Zharkov 0 0%
Tom Wilson 14 9.79%
Colton Sissons 2 1.40%
Henrik Samuelsson 62 43.36%
Scott Laughton 6 4.20%
Scott Komaschuk 0 0%
Cristoval Nieves 0 0%
Tim Bozon 2 1.40%
Malcolm Subban 13 9.09%
Oscar Dansk 4 2.80%
Other - List below in comments 0 0%
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06-20-2012, 09:07 AM
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Well it was like Harry and Lloyd making decisions so I won't put too much stock into it.
Even McKenzie has Grigorenko down at 12. Still good value there in my opinion.

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06-20-2012, 09:12 AM
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Craig Button has made a living being a professional scout for over two decades.

There are questions about Grigorenko's age.

Some are saying he is actually 20yrs old.

Would you draft a 20yr old in the top five?
Not that it would be impossible (happens in soccer and baseball) but do you have any links or audio clips related to this speculation?

Searching the 'net just led me to random posts on this site...

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06-20-2012, 09:16 AM
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Not that it would be impossible (happens in soccer and baseball) but do you have any links or audio clips related to this speculation?

Searching the 'net just led me to random posts on this site...
The one guy on hockeybuzz that has OHL credentials has said the samething.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Brian...ects/153/45062

NOTE: There are rumors that have plagued Mikhail Grigorenko for over a year now, with many NHL GMs and scouts questioning his age. Damien Cox recently tweeted that a Western GM though he was in fact 20 years old. This isn't a new rumor, and the fact that Grigorenko hails from an area on the border of China does not help his case. But that's all that it is at this point... rumors. Until it's known, teams will be taking a risk. Boom or bust, this is the type of pick that could save your job or kill it.

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06-20-2012, 09:20 AM
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The one guy on hockeybuzz that has OHL credentials has said the samething.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Brian...ects/153/45062

NOTE: There are rumors that have plagued Mikhail Grigorenko for over a year now, with many NHL GMs and scouts questioning his age. Damien Cox recently tweeted that a Western GM though he was in fact 20 years old. This isn't a new rumor, and the fact that Grigorenko hails from an area on the border of China does not help his case. But that's all that it is at this point... rumors. Until it's known, teams will be taking a risk. Boom or bust, this is the type of pick that could save your job or kill it.
Yeah I found that just now, hmmm. I wonder how real those concerns are, like you wouldn't think it would be THAT hard to get the real answer.

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06-20-2012, 09:21 AM
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Who do Oilers take at 32?

Personally I hope its Dalton Thrower, though I do not think he'll be available.
Subban?

Who and why?

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06-20-2012, 09:23 AM
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Yeah I found that just now, hmmm. I wonder how real those concerns are, like you wouldn't think it would be THAT hard to get the real answer.
It's Russia anything is possible. Parents could've made him younger so he was a man if the army came calling.

I have no idea what the truth is, but nothing shocks me anymore.

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06-20-2012, 09:23 AM
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Depends who is available.

Subban would be great *if he's still available*

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Stopped reading the TSN mock after I saw Pierre write this:

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Player: Olli Maatta
Position: Defence
Team: London (OHL)
Pierre McGuire's Notes: "Probably the most NHL ready defenceman in the draft right now."
From all accounts his footspeed and agility are not nearly developed enough and struggles at pivoting smoothly. Sounds like the opposite of NHL ready to me; a project with really good upside but a few years away from even challenging for a spot.

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06-20-2012, 09:31 AM
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One of:
- Samuelsson (20-35th pick)
- Thrower (20-35th pick)
- Subban (20-35th pick)
- Dansk (25-40th pick)
- Vasilevski (20-35th pick)
- Bystrom (20-35th pick)
- Frk (30-45th pick)
- Jankowski (25-40th pick)
- Kerdiles (25-40th pick)
- Sissons (25-40th pick)

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06-20-2012, 09:39 AM
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I don't think the two are comparable.

Saad's stock dropped because he played through a fairly serious groin injury and looked slow/lazy.

In Frk's case, scouts have found out he's got an NHL caliber shot, but brings basically nothing else to the table.
I'm not comparing their playing styles. I'm just saying that both were top 10 picks to start the year but dropped into the 2nd round. I could see him bounce back next year like Saad.

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06-20-2012, 09:40 AM
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Stopped reading the TSN mock after I saw Pierre write this:



From all accounts his footspeed and agility are not nearly developed enough and struggles at pivoting smoothly. Sounds like the opposite of NHL ready to me; a project with really good upside but a few years away from even challenging for a spot.
I remember reading that last night and wondering the same thing.

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06-20-2012, 09:45 AM
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Craig Button has made a living being a professional scout for over two decades.

There are questions about Grigorenko's age.

Some are saying he is actually 20yrs old.

Would you draft a 20yr old in the top five?
Any proof of this? I feel bad for the poor guy. He can barely speak English and people are jumping on him because he can't defend himself.

It seems like a lot of nonsense. He's a kid who had mono and all of a sudden his commitment to the NHL and age are in question. I haven't seen anything to give this any merit.


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06-20-2012, 09:55 AM
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Any proof of this? I feel bad for the poor guy. He can barely speak English and people are jumping on him because he can't defend himself.

It seems like a lot of nonsense. He's a kid who had mono and all of a sudden his commitment to the NHL and age are in question. I haven't seen anything to give this any merit.
There's no proof at all. Nothing from any credible source whatsoever. It is kind of sad.

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06-20-2012, 09:59 AM
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There's no proof at all. Nothing from any credible source whatsoever. It is kind of sad.
If the Oilers trading in to get him at 6-10, I will be extremely pleased.

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06-20-2012, 10:15 AM
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If the Oilers trading in to get him at 6-10, I will be extremely pleased.
I'm very curious if they landed the 6th pick for example, and both Reinhart and Grigorenko are available, who they'd pick.

My guess is Reinhart (who could easily be gone before then) based on the rumours we've heard. But I'd be happy with either one.

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I'm very curious if they landed the 6th pick for example, and both Reinhart and Grigorenko are available, who they'd pick.

My guess is Reinhart (who could easily be gone before then) based on the rumours we've heard. But I'd be happy with either one.
They would go with Reinhart, imo, but I think it would be VERY close.

Reinhart has some high end potential in just how smart of player he is, imo.

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I'm not comparing their playing styles. I'm just saying that both were top 10 picks to start the year but dropped into the 2nd round. I could see him bounce back next year like Saad.
I'm saying their situations aren't really comparable.

One had his skill set limited by an injury. The other just has a limited skill set.

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I'm very curious if they landed the 6th pick for example, and both Reinhart and Grigorenko are available, who they'd pick.

My guess is Reinhart (who could easily be gone before then) based on the rumours we've heard. But I'd be happy with either one.
I'd have to think Reinhart would be the guy. They seem to really like him a lot (understandably). I personally feel like he's the #5 defenseman in the draft (behind Murray, Reilly, Dumba, and Trouba), but still worthy of a top 10 pick. The Oilers definitely have him in their top 5.

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Even McKenzie has Grigorenko down at 12. Still good value there in my opinion.
McKenzie has nothing. He's just crunching numbers selected scouts give him.

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I'd have to think Reinhart would be the guy. They seem to really like him a lot (understandably). I personally feel like he's the #5 defenseman in the draft (behind Murray, Reilly, Dumba, and Trouba), but still worthy of a top 10 pick. The Oilers definitely have him in their top 5.
Given his size, smarts, and shot, I think he has the highest upside of any defenseman in the draft.

Regardless of us taking him, I'm very interested in watching his development (probably as an Oil King) next year.

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Not that it would be impossible (happens in soccer and baseball) but do you have any links or audio clips related to this speculation?

Searching the 'net just led me to random posts on this site...
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...1&postcount=23

Provides some links to some Russian blog/chat sites where it is talked about. Run it through google translator and see if it makes any sense.

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I'm saying their situations aren't really comparable.

One had his skill set limited by an injury. The other just has a limited skill set.
Oh 100%. I'm just saying I wouldn't be surprised if Frk is still on the board at 32. If he is I would have to think long and hard about passing on a guy with his skill set.

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I'm very curious if they landed the 6th pick for example, and both Reinhart and Grigorenko are available, who they'd pick.

My guess is Reinhart (who could easily be gone before then) based on the rumours we've heard. But I'd be happy with either one.
I've been wondering this as well. I would love Grigs but I get the feeling we would draft for need and grab Reinhart.

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Regarding the age rumors: They said the same things about Ovechkin.

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McKenzie has nothing. He's just crunching numbers selected scouts give him.
Yeah, and it winds up being BY FAR the most accurate list every year.

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