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06-21-2012, 12:14 AM
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Wouldn't Lindback be a closer comparison?
Why? Lindback's numbers have simply been average while Schneider has been one of the top goaltenders, albeit in limited action, the past two seasons.

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06-21-2012, 12:16 AM
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Wouldn't Lindback be a closer comparison?
Lindback has 38 games played to Varlamov's 59+19 playoff games(when he was traded). Varlamov was a more proven commodity due to this experience, so is a better comparison.

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lol and we'll give u Schroeder our 1st and Tanev for Nugent Hopkins
Poor example as Schneider is worth nowhere near RNH

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Gross overpayment by the Oilers. And one of those 3 pieces is too much.

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06-21-2012, 12:20 AM
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Schneider's numbers are just so great, I can't really see an argument that Varlamov would be worth more when traded than Schneider, based on age (as like I said the numbers are largely in Schneider's favour). The values are definitely similar but Schneider definitely has an edge, if just only a slight one.
Varly's play was pretty phenomenal as well, and it is insanely rare for a 21 year old goalie to go out and play great in the playoffs afterall. I mean despite how impressive Schneider has been, at 21 he was just leaving college to start his AHL career. Then you have to consider that the numbers alone make their play seem much more disparate than it really has been, as Varly played behind a much inferior defense to that which Schneider enjoys in Vancouver and was asked to carry a larger burden despite being younger and needing to learn a new language and culture.

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06-21-2012, 12:22 AM
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Thought I'd toss my 2 cents in before this thread becomes an Edm-Van p***ing contest in the same way the Luongo thread has degenerated for Tor-Van fans.

Edmonton is a really tough team to trade Schneider to. Your best assets (Hall, Eberle, RNH, #1) are too valuable to trade away even for a goalie with Schneider's upside (and most Van fans know this). On the other hand, the 2nd tier of Oilers assets (Gagner, MPS, Lander, Teubert) aren't at the level that Vancouver really wants or could use. I just don't think there is any chance that these two teams - who have no love for each other - are going to find any common ground between the "Schneider + Raymond + 2nd for Hall/Eberle" garbage and "MPS + Lander + 2nd for Schneider" garbage. That said, I totally expect this thread to reach version 5 or 6 well before the draft ...
Good post I agree 100%

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06-21-2012, 12:22 AM
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Poor example as Schneider is worth nowhere near RNH
Which is what makes it the perfect example. MPS+Teubert+2nd are worth nowhere near Schneider either, which was the Edm proposal that he was responding to

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06-21-2012, 12:27 AM
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Gross overpayment by the Oilers. And one of those 3 pieces is too much.
Cool story. Let's agree not to discuss trades with Edm any more then, yes? Cause god knows we don't want even 1 of those useless pieces either ...

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06-21-2012, 12:39 AM
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Henrique, 2nd for Schneider and Schroeder?

Schneider, 26th for 5th OA, 2013 1st, 3rd in 2013?

Schneider for Gardiner, 4th

Schneider, 26th for 2nd oa?

Schneider for Johanssen?

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06-21-2012, 12:46 AM
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Devils fans...what about a package of Henrique with (as examples) Volchenkov, Zubrus, Tallinder, members of that sexy third line from the playoffs, or *gulp* Clarkson?

Obviously it's Schneider+ (+?).

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06-21-2012, 12:52 AM
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Devils fans...what about a package of Henrique with (as examples) Volchenkov, Zubrus, Tallinder, members of that sexy third line from the playoffs, or *gulp* Clarkson?

Obviously it's Schneider+ (+?).
That + would have to be huge to get the devils to consider

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06-21-2012, 01:24 AM
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Columbus might be an option, not sure about Anaheim since they were rumored to be interested in Miller

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How far off is this?

To Vancouver: Bobby Ryan

To Toronto: Cory Schneider

To Anaheim: Jake Gardiner, Van 1st

Why? Gets Vancouver a big, young skilled winger. Toronto gets their goalie of the future at the expense of their defender of the future. Still have 5th overall to draft a new franchise defender. Gardiner back to Anaheim seems a little weird, but stranger things have happened. Gardiners return likely keeps Schultz in California.

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06-21-2012, 02:54 AM
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How far off is this?

To Vancouver: Bobby Ryan

To Toronto: Cory Schneider

To Anaheim: Jake Gardiner, Van 1st

Why? Gets Vancouver a big, young skilled winger. Toronto gets their goalie of the future at the expense of their defender of the future. Still have 5th overall to draft a new franchise defender. Gardiner back to Anaheim seems a little weird, but stranger things have happened. Gardiners return likely keeps Schultz in California.
Very very far off for Anahiem...

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06-21-2012, 02:57 AM
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MPS is severely underrated, but there's no better opportunity in Vancouver for him than there currently is in Edmonton.

Vancouver's need for a centerman is quite a concern at the moment. Perhaps they should target one. Cheers.


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Ya I am interesting to see what Gillis does up the middle... Dubinsky was rumoured.

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06-21-2012, 03:26 AM
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For Schneider to be available, I think the offer would have to be significantly better than an offer for Luongo, especially if the offer is from a divisional rival.

If we assume that Luongo might be able to fetch Schenn, Kadri, and a 2nd (just as a reference point), MPS, Teubert, and a 2nd is far from what it would take to get Schneider.

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06-21-2012, 06:08 AM
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Wouldn't Lindback be a closer comparison?
Neither goalie has looked nearly as good as Schneider at the NHL level.

Varly last his starting job every time he had it and was threatening to bolt to the KHL.

Lindback hasn't really faced the level of competition that Schneider has and has a long-term health issue.

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06-21-2012, 06:15 AM
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I may be way off base here, not a fan of either team, but what about a bit of a blockbuster?

To Edm:
Schneider
Tanev
Van 1st

To Van:
Eberle
Edm 2nd
(something to balance it out a bit more)

Van gets a dynamic RW who's proven he can score, Edm gets their #1 goalie and a decent D prospect and move's up a little in the draft with their 2nd. Now they can draft Yakupov with no worries as to where all their Forwards are gonna fit.

Just throwing it out there.

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06-21-2012, 06:21 AM
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Henrique, 2nd for Schneider and Schroeder?

Schneider, 26th for 5th OA, 2013 1st, 3rd in 2013?

Schneider for Gardiner, 4th

Schneider, 26th for 2nd oa?

Schneider for Johanssen?
We arent giving up Gardiner straight up for Schneider, let alone adding a 2nd. Maybe Schenn + MacArthur +McKegg+ 2013 2nd +2013 3rd

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06-21-2012, 06:43 AM
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wondering what leaf fans would give up for Schneider???
Why ask? In the Luongo thread it has been said countless times that we are not good trading partners as we have nothing the Nucks desire.....and thats for Luongo. I can't imagine what would please Nucks fans for Schnieder.

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06-21-2012, 06:45 AM
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I may be way off base here, not a fan of either team, but what about a bit of a blockbuster?

To Edm:
Schneider
Tanev
Van 1st

To Van:
Eberle
Edm 2nd
(something to balance it out a bit more)

Van gets a dynamic RW who's proven he can score, Edm gets their #1 goalie and a decent D prospect and move's up a little in the draft with their 2nd. Now they can draft Yakupov with no worries as to where all their Forwards are gonna fit.

Just throwing it out there.
As a Canucks fan, I'd add our entire 2012 draft year if it helped get us Eberle...makes me think it favours us a little too much.

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We arent giving up Gardiner straight up for Schneider, let alone adding a 2nd. Maybe Schenn + MacArthur +McKegg+ 2013 2nd +2013 3rd
That's like saying, "Won't pay $100 but how about $5?" The Schenn offer is embarassing. We wouldn't trade a 2nd for Schenn.

Schneider for Gardiner if Gillis is convinced that it will land us Schultz otherwise I'd prefer to get something more useful to us now (i.e. packaged for Nash).

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06-21-2012, 07:11 AM
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Many of my fellow Leaf fans would disagree... but I would offer the 5th overall for Schnieder IF Forsberg/Gally/Yak were off the board...

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I may be way off base here, not a fan of either team, but what about a bit of a blockbuster?

To Edm:
Schneider
Tanev
Van 1st

To Van:
Eberle
Edm 2nd
(something to balance it out a bit more)

Van gets a dynamic RW who's proven he can score, Edm gets their #1 goalie and a decent D prospect and move's up a little in the draft with their 2nd. Now they can draft Yakupov with no worries as to where all their Forwards are gonna fit.

Just throwing it out there.
Remove the picks. Same thing almost. 26 vs 32.

Canucks would love this deal.

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06-21-2012, 07:17 AM
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Thats as bad as Paul Martin for Cory Schneider. Coming from a very passionate Pens fan, btw.
Also, why are Oilers fans not willing to trade Hall, RNH or Eberle but expect a #1 D or #1 Goalie like Schneider? You have the #1 OVR Pick again this year to draft Yakupov. Draft him and trade either Hall or Eberle for a starting goalie and there. You still have the first line with three 1st OVR picks plus a great young goalie. Solves a lot of problems and you will shoot up most likely into a playoff contender.
Who in their right mind would trade Jordan Eberle?

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06-21-2012, 08:12 AM
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For Schneider to be available, I think the offer would have to be significantly better than an offer for Luongo, especially if the offer is from a divisional rival.

If we assume that Luongo might be able to fetch Schenn, Kadri, and a 2nd (just as a reference point), MPS, Teubert, and a 2nd is far from what it would take to get Schneider.
I think it's a bad assumption thinking you'd get that much for Luongo, albeit a good goaltender, is thirty-three and signed for the next ten years.

You have a backup who is taking over a starter in Schneider, who is also an RFA, and has stated he wants to be a starting goaltender. Moreover, Luongo has an NTC, which complicates the matter further. He probably won't want to go to a team like Toronto or Columbus.

GMs probably realize, the longer Vancover keeps the duo the more it's going to hurt the value of Luongo or the chances of Schneider staying long term. If Schneider continues to take over the starting role, then you're going to see Luongo's value plummet even more. If they fail to trade Luongo, sign Schneider, then he's UFA in a year anyway.

I think Luongo will fetch far less than what Vancover fans think.

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