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06-21-2012, 05:41 AM
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Gomez + Kaberle = that is all.
Kaberle has value if used properly. Gomez...enough said already,must go.

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Let's build from the draft and not trade valuable assets for overpaid players for once.
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Exactly. We don't have the cap room or the assets to get any of the big names via trade. That being said I hope our GM thinks outside the box and is aggressive when he needs to be.
I'd rather develop our prospects and build slowly than overpay for someone else's headache.Patience.

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06-21-2012, 05:57 AM
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I was just wondering, with this new regime all about communication (I mean the Habs GM was on the TSN mock draft show for crying out loud), if anyone else was bothered by the fact that the Habs are not being mentioned in any of the big chases for players, such as Nash, Staal, Ryan etc.?

I just found it odd.

Btw, my comment is based on mention by legitimate sources.
I doubt Bergevin's commitment to communication means telling the media what deals or contracts he is working on. Maybe better explaining why player X or Y was signed or traded for but the big deal on communication is within the organisation.

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06-21-2012, 05:59 AM
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We have to resign Subban and Price so we can't sign any of these big names.
We have more than enough money to sign anybody available, but the players on the trade market(except maybe Radulov) will cost a fortune and the UFA's, we probably have a better shot at the B or C ones.

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Kaberle has value if used properly. Gomez...enough said already,must go.
The point of the post is we're shackled enough so rumors don't fly too low. Even Mr. Joe & Mrs. Jane can figure out how the salary cap works right?

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06-21-2012, 06:24 AM
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We have more than enough money to sign anybody available, but the players on the trade market(except maybe Radulov) will cost a fortune and the UFA's, we probably have a better shot at the B or C ones.
So instead of going for some UFAs, we should try to add some UFCs?

I approve

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06-21-2012, 06:51 AM
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Anyone saying we don't need a Nash for example is just pure ignorance. He may be getting 60-70 points now but the guy can and will be a 50 goal scorer...just not in Columbus. In the Olympic, he was by far one of my favorite player to watch. A true PF and in the right place....watch out. Would I give the bank for him?????real tempted but I probably wouldn't.

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06-21-2012, 07:15 AM
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Anyone saying we don't need a Nash for example is just pure ignorance. He may be getting 60-70 points now but the guy can and will be a 50 goal scorer...just not in Columbus. In the Olympic, he was by far one of my favorite player to watch. A true PF and in the right place....watch out. Would I give the bank for him?????real tempted but I probably wouldn't.
I think the conditions would all have to be right for him to score 50. He would be a nice guy to have but he has a huge(7.8 mil) cap hit plus would cost a pile of assets according to what they wanted at the deadline. I prefer being patient for 1-2 years and make that kind of deal(or the Carter trade) at that point.

It's like the Kessel deal, you do it if you are possibly one piece from a championship, not a deal you make to try and make the playoffs. Nash is a very good player, but not necessarily one taht makes players around him better.

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I'd be interested to hear more about E. Kane, B.Ryan or J. Staal. No Jagr, Luongo, Nash, P.Kane for me

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stall would be a great fit but.......................

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06-21-2012, 08:21 AM
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stall would be a great fit but.......................
We already have our own version of that player in Eller. Not as advanced at the same age but projects to be a very similar player.

Here are some interesting tweets on the Staal situation...

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie
My take on Jordan Staal situation: PIT doesn't want to trade him, wants to sign him and may make him a long-term (7 to 10 yrs maybe?) offer.

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie
At that point, it would be up to Staal to commit long term to Pens or not sign. If it's not, PIT would have to explore trade options.


Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie
IF outcome is trading Staal, PIT's return/field of teams SEVERELY limited by fact Staal 1 yr from UFA. No team pays big for 1 yr rental.

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie
So even in trade scenario, Staal drives bus to large degree. Decisions, decisions, but first things first...he's getting married Friday.

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I think the conditions would all have to be right for him to score 50. He would be a nice guy to have but he has a huge(7.8 mil) cap hit plus would cost a pile of assets according to what they wanted at the deadline. I prefer being patient for 1-2 years and make that kind of deal(or the Carter trade) at that point.

It's like the Kessel deal, you do it if you are possibly one piece from a championship, not a deal you make to try and make the playoffs. Nash is a very good player, but not necessarily one taht makes players around him better.
Like I said, I mostly wouldn't pull the triger. I'm not interested in giving 2 roster player plus 2 prospect plus a pick...that is steap!

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06-21-2012, 08:56 AM
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I'm not really worried. Rumors are rumors and they can change at any point, multiple times per day even. Just because the Habs aren't mentioned as of late, it doesn't mean they have no say in any of the UFAs available on July 1st.

As for the big name trades, I hope the Habs steer clear and hang on to their prospects. They have finally established a stocked cupboard and will continue to add within the next two drafts due to multiple picks in the top 60. To sell the farm for Nash or any other high end UFA would likely hurt the Habs in the future.

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06-21-2012, 09:14 AM
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The solution is through drafting and free agency, not selling our assets in blockbuster trades. I'm not worried.

I want this organisation to focus on our prospects and free agency, let the kids play and grow from within our organisation. I'd rather have them take a chance on a young and cheap Galchenuyk instead of trading for someone like Ryan for example.

You make the Ryan and Nash trades when you have full of assets and are close to a championship, we're not.

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The solution is through drafting and free agency, not selling our assets in blockbuster trades. I'm not worried.

I want this organisation to focus on our prospects and free agency, let the kids play and grow from within our organisation. I'd rather have them take a chance on a young and cheap Galchenuyk instead of trading for someone like Ryan for example.

You make the Ryan and Nash trades when you have full of assets and are close to a championship, we're not.
Exactly. With a weak UFA crop and lots of team with cap room, somebody will surely overpay for Nash, Staal and Ryan if they do indeed get moved.

Even with a rocky relationship in Anaheim, I don't see them moving Ryan unless someone overpays(like Beaulieu plus #3 overall pick) as both Getzlaf and Perry could potentially walk after next year.

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Bergevin's hands are tied by Gauthier/Gainey's spending, and he has two expensing RFAs to sign. He also doesn't know the rules of the game as their will be a new CBA. Some GMs might have bad surprises waiting for them...

Finally, Bergevin has the luxury of dressing a below average team for 1-2 year. He inherited a last place team, the defense is terrible and bad contracts are all over the place. Fast forward 1-2 years, we should have 1-2 D prospects coming up and roughly $20M of terrible contracts off the books. I include Markov in terrible contracts, and I will do so until he plays more than 65 games in a season.

Point is, there is no reason for Bergevin to trade picks/prospects for expensive players. Ryan or not, Habs aren't contenders. Might as well be patient, especially if the context allows for it.

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I was just wondering, with this new regime all about communication (I mean the Habs GM was on the TSN mock draft show for crying out loud), if anyone else was bothered by the fact that the Habs are not being mentioned in any of the big chases for players, such as Nash, Staal, Ryan etc.?

I just found it odd.

Btw, my comment is based on mention by legitimate sources.
The cloud of silence will still be there in trade talk, that is no different than the other 29 teams.

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Gomez + Kaberle = that is all.
This!!!

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Yeah, I'm so upset the Habs aren't involved in BS rumours that always lead nowhere. Good thread lol

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Bergevin's hands are tied by Gauthier/Gainey's spending, and he has two expensing RFAs to sign. He also doesn't know the rules of the game as their will be a new CBA. Some GMs might have bad surprises waiting for them...

Finally, Bergevin has the luxury of dressing a below average team for 1-2 year. He inherited a last place team, the defense is terrible and bad contracts are all over the place. Fast forward 1-2 years, we should have 1-2 D prospects coming up and roughly $20M of terrible contracts off the books. I include Markov in terrible contracts, and I will do so until he plays more than 65 games in a season.

Point is, there is no reason for Bergevin to trade picks/prospects for expensive players. Ryan or not, Habs aren't contenders. Might as well be patient, especially if the context allows for it.
10000000% right! Some here seem to think the Habs will magically be contenders this year. They have one line that can score and one of the worst blue lines in hockey.

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Anyone saying we don't need a Nash for example is just pure ignorance. He may be getting 60-70 points now but the guy can and will be a 50 goal scorer...just not in Columbus. In the Olympic, he was by far one of my favorite player to watch. A true PF and in the right place....watch out. Would I give the bank for him?????real tempted but I probably wouldn't.
But did you read what the Rangers apparently offered them for Nash at the deadline and they refused it!?"

We can't even come close to that package of players unless we include one of Subban or MaxPac and our best prospects.

Nash is good but he's no Crosby or Malkin or Stamkos in my opinion.

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So instead of going for some UFAs, we should try to add some UFCs?

I approve
Indeed. Just imagine Chara in a Kimura lock

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Exactly. We don't have the cap room or the assets to get any of the big names via trade. That being said I hope our GM thinks outside the box and is aggressive when he needs to be.
Though signing one or two UFAs wouldn't bother me.

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I'm not really sure what the purpose of this thread is.

I for one certainly don't want our management telling the media their strategy.

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Bergevin's hands are tied by Gauthier/Gainey's spending, and he has two expensing RFAs to sign. He also doesn't know the rules of the game as their will be a new CBA. Some GMs might have bad surprises waiting for them...

Finally, Bergevin has the luxury of dressing a below average team for 1-2 year. He inherited a last place team, the defense is terrible and bad contracts are all over the place. Fast forward 1-2 years, we should have 1-2 D prospects coming up and roughly $20M of terrible contracts off the books. I include Markov in terrible contracts, and I will do so until he plays more than 65 games in a season.

Point is, there is no reason for Bergevin to trade picks/prospects for expensive players. Ryan or not, Habs aren't contenders. Might as well be patient, especially if the context allows for it.
Yes! Worth repeating for a dose of sanity. The future begins in 2013/14, not next year.

The Habs are not a Big-Trade team. We're not good at it, big names resist coming here and we don't need the cap squeeze. Instead, we've focused our energy on prospects and upcoming picks. If you want to see our guiding philosophy, look no further than our new GM's assistants. All are specialists in talent DEVELOPMENT. The team is now developing through youth, not established names. Aside from Eric Cole and Brian Gionta, every valuable player we have has either been developed through our system, or come here at the start of their careers, like Gorges and Eller.

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Bergevin's hands are tied by Gauthier/Gainey's spending, and he has two expensing RFAs to sign. He also doesn't know the rules of the game as their will be a new CBA. Some GMs might have bad surprises waiting for them...

Finally, Bergevin has the luxury of dressing a below average team for 1-2 year. He inherited a last place team, the defense is terrible and bad contracts are all over the place. Fast forward 1-2 years, we should have 1-2 D prospects coming up and roughly $20M of terrible contracts off the books. I include Markov in terrible contracts, and I will do so until he plays more than 65 games in a season.

Point is, there is no reason for Bergevin to trade picks/prospects for expensive players. Ryan or not, Habs aren't contenders. Might as well be patient, especially if the context allows for it.
Bergevin's hands are far from tied, even after the RFA's are signed he'll have 12-15 mil left to add whatever he wants as long as he waives Gomez.

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