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06-21-2012, 03:23 PM
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Schenn + Kadri + 2nd
For
Luongo + Schroeder

Get a young d-man, and early 1st and upgrade center prospects.
That may be an upgrade in skill between those prospects, but I wouldn't swap those two guys.

Call me a homer, I think Schroeder has a much better head for the game than Kadri, and if there is a difference in skill its marginal.

I do not want Kadri.

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06-21-2012, 03:24 PM
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To Nashville: Schenn + Raymond for Blum + 2nd

To Vancouver: Blum + 2nd (Nashvile's-50th overall) + MacArthur for Luongo

To Toronto: Luongo for Schenn+Macarthur

Fair? Who needs to add?
Canucks have zero use for MacArthur.

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06-21-2012, 03:24 PM
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That may be an upgrade in skill between those prospects, but I wouldn't swap those two guys.

Call me a homer, I think Schroeder has a much better head for the game than Kadri, and if there is a difference in skill its marginal.

I do not want Kadri.
Let's just take Kadri and Schroeder out and critique Schenn and a 2nd for Luongo.

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What about
Toronto - Jose Theodore

Florida - Roberto Luongo, Clarke MacArthur, Mason Raymond

Vancouver - Nick Bjugstad, Quinton Howden, Shawn Matthias
I'd rather go for the Schenn.Kadri and 2nd for Luongo Schroeder myself. Luongo is at least hands down better than Theo.

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Actually Dregger meant that IF the Canucks want to move Luongo they'd have to take a bad contract back. Like Komisarek's. He never implyed this was a deal in the making.

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No kidding. However, when the target asset in a trade holds negative value (Roberto Luongo), the team holding said negative asset must accept low trade value. It's just reality for the Canucks right now.
I've never been a big Luongo supporter but I disagree that he had negative value. Roberto Luongo is still one of the top 5 goaltenders in the league. I know that hockey stats aren't as intense as baseball but I'd like to see what Luongo's WAR would be.

Is he going to win a cup? Who knows? Willie Mitchell just won a cup so anything is possible.

What Vancouver needs to realize is that Luongo's value is higher to Vancouver than it is to other teams. Schneider is a good goaltender but we haven't seen him play in the NHL on a regular basis yet. People have sent Luongo up the river without seeing if the Schneider boat can handle the current.

I will stand by my prediction that Luongo goes to Florida. Here is a GM who has the cap room, doesn't have a sustainability plan in net, but has a potential NHL goaltender that they drafted last year.

Does Florida beat New Jersey if Luongo was in net instead of Theodore/Clemmenson?

If he does go to Florida I would see the following scenario:

To FLA: Luongo

To VAN: some mid-level AHL prospect
+ a current roster player like Versteeg whom Vancouver has no interest in re-signing but will wait for an offer sheet
+ a 2nd round pick in next year's draft
+ a 1st round pick in next year's draft - Can't you see Florida potentially winning the division again next year with an upgrade in net? This pick would be in the bottom half of the first round.

For Vancouver, they could probably get a better deal if cap space weren't an issue but it is.

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06-21-2012, 03:25 PM
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On tsn, Darren Dreger just said one of the likely players headed back in the Loungu trade will be Komisarek if the deal between Canucks and Leafs fall through.

tsn.ca/nhl

If anyone wants to watch it, then the video on the right side, on the 2nd page called Draftcentre: pressure's on.
i doubt they take komi

i'd be happy with schenn + kadri + 2nd in 2013 for luongo

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Hopefully one of Colborne and MacArthur allso are the peices going back. Don't want to part with Kadri, Gards, or the 5th.
Don't worry. There's zero chance any of these pieces are moved in the luongo deal.

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Actually Dregger meant that IF the Canucks want to move Luongo they'd have to take a bad contract back. Like Komisarek's. He never implyed this was a deal in the making.
Thankfully, for many involved.

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actually dregger meant that if the canucks want to move luongo they'd have to take a bad contract back. Like komisarek's. He never implyed this was a deal in the making.
oh thank god.

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I think the Leafs say yes we get the stop gap we want but the Panthers say no. They are pretty high on Bjugstad. And that is way too much salary for them to take on.
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So I just watched the Dreger video about Komi to VAN.

He's merely speculating that VAN takes back one "bad contract".

He also says there haven't been any serious discussions between VAN and TO.

He also says Bobrovsky to TO "by process of elimination".

Pure speculation on Dreger's part...looks like he really has no sources on Vancouver's end.

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Actually Dregger meant that IF the Canucks want to move Luongo they'd have to take a bad contract back. Like Komisarek's. He never implyed this was a deal in the making.
I heard it that way too, as in Gillis would have to take on a contract like Komisarek's to justify taking on Luongo's. Pretty much something we already knew.

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Actually Dregger meant that IF the Canucks want to move Luongo they'd have to take a bad contract back. Like Komisarek's. He never implyed this was a deal in the making.
Komi's contract is an anchor.

Ballard's contract is a 'bad contract". Leafs have a couple players on "bad contracts". None of these players have a "NMC".

Huge difference. Komi is dead cap space.

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Komi's contract is an anchor.

Ballard's contract is a 'bad contract". Leafs have a couple players on "bad contracts". None of these players have a "NMC".

Huge difference. Komi is dead cap space.
Komi's a guy that would have to be put in the minors. He's awful. Leafs would have to start adding if they expect the Nucks to take on that contract.

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Luongo to Leafs for Gardiner + 5th overall.

Luongo to Panthers for Bjugstad + Upshall + 1st 2012.

It would cost TO more because Gillis doesn't want to help Leafs/Burke and Lou no doubt prefers Florida (would TO even be on the list??)

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I've never been a big Luongo supporter but I disagree that he had negative value. Roberto Luongo is still one of the top 5 goaltenders in the league. I know that hockey stats aren't as intense as baseball but I'd like to see what Luongo's WAR would be.

Is he going to win a cup? Who knows? Willie Mitchell just won a cup so anything is possible.

What Vancouver needs to realize is that Luongo's value is higher to Vancouver than it is to other teams. Schneider is a good goaltender but we haven't seen him play in the NHL on a regular basis yet. People have sent Luongo up the river without seeing if the Schneider boat can handle the current.

I will stand by my prediction that Luongo goes to Florida. Here is a GM who has the cap room, doesn't have a sustainability plan in net, but has a potential NHL goaltender that they drafted last year.

Does Florida beat New Jersey if Luongo was in net instead of Theodore/Clemmenson?

If he does go to Florida I would see the following scenario:

To FLA: Luongo

To VAN: some mid-level AHL prospect
+ a current roster player like Versteeg whom Vancouver has no interest in re-signing but will wait for an offer sheet
+ a 2nd round pick in next year's draft
+ a 1st round pick in next year's draft - Can't you see Florida potentially winning the division again next year with an upgrade in net? This pick would be in the bottom half of the first round.

For Vancouver, they could probably get a better deal if cap space weren't an issue but it is.
Good one. Or Florida could add the rights to Garrison who the Canucks might like and is from Van (instead of a Verseeg).

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I think the Leafs say yes we get the stop gap we want but the Panthers say no. They are pretty high on Bjugstad. And that is way too much salary for them to take on.
Then just replace Mattias with a salary dump like Upshall.

I'm not sure how Florida is going to reach the cap floor without adding some salary though.

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Dreger is Nonis' cousin....you don't think Nonughts is using his cousin to lower the market value?

If you don't, I've got a BBQ to sell.

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Firstly that deal with Florida hardly needs the Leafs in it haha.

Secondly if Burke wasn't willing to trade a 7th round pick for an interested Vokoun, I doubt we trade MacArthur for Theodore.
True that deal doesn't really require the Leafs at all.

Theodore has value to the Canucks as a veteran backup on a decent cap hit... always some risk going with a young starter, and this would mitigate it.

Lets leave Toronto out in the cold in this deal... Macarthur is a worse asset than sending Hansen or Higgins to Florida because he is paid three times as much and only brings the same level of play to the table.

Florida needs defence more than forwards anyways... they have a lot of young potential star forwards getting ready to make the NHL in the next year or two.

They can have any of Tanev; Ballard; Alberts; Gragnani

To Florida:
Luongo
Raymond (short term filler offence while prospects develop)
Tanev or Gragnani or Ballard
Alberts

To Vancouver:
Theodore
Bjugstad
Matthias

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That may be an upgrade in skill between those prospects, but I wouldn't swap those two guys.

Call me a homer, I think Schroeder has a much better head for the game than Kadri, and if there is a difference in skill its marginal.

I do not want Kadri.
Kadri is bigger, was drafted higher and has performed better at every level.
Sure you keep Schroeder and we keep Kadri, fine with us.

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Komi's a guy that would have to be put in the minors. He's awful. Leafs would have to start adding if they expect the Nucks to take on that contract.
Komi cant be sent to the minors. NMC. I highly doubt he wants to ride the pine

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Bobrovsky sounds like the only alternative if lu's asking price is too high

But what could the philly possibly want in return?

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Bobrovsky sounds like the only alternative if lu's asking price is too high

But what could the philly possibly want in return?
If Bryz was consistant (in a good way) then I could see them dealing him.

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Then just replace Mattias with a salary dump like Upshall.

I'm not sure how Florida is going to reach the cap floor without adding some salary though.
We still have Kulikov, and Versteeg to sign as starters.

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