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06-21-2012, 03:55 PM
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No, of course not. Sutton re-signed. Now it's Staios.
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I'll throw up if Staal is traded, regardless of who we get in return. Seeing these proposals with Staal shipped away is beginning to make me queasy

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Albatross contracts in Nash and Bryz with a swiss cheese defense?

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One minute until the pressers

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"@TSNBobMcKenzie: Breaking news: Hearing Jordan Staal turned down 10-yr mega offer from PIT. Has indicated to PIT he doesn't plan on signing extension now."

My jaw literally dropped.

Also, Howson said he isn't close on a Nash deal.

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Breaking news: Hearing Jordan Staal turned down 10-yr mega offer from PIT. Has indicated to PIT he doesn't plan on signing extension now.
https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie/s...12409553051649

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Breaking news: Hearing Jordan Staal turned down 10-yr mega offer from PIT. Has indicated to PIT he doesn't plan on signing extension now.

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Lol, well anyway J. Staal wanting out.

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Looks like Nash is a goner.

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Wow. That's crazy.

We'll see you next summer, Jordan.

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"@TSNBobMcKenzie: Breaking news: Hearing Jordan Staal turned down 10-yr mega offer from PIT. Has indicated to PIT he doesn't plan on signing extension now."

My jaw literally dropped.

Also, Howson said he isn't close on a Nash deal.
Not surprised staal wants out. Nice to know for once its not so much about the money as it is playing time.

And thats what Howson had a press conference for? HA

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06-21-2012, 04:08 PM
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Looks like Nash is a goner.
What makes you say that

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06-21-2012, 04:09 PM
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What makes you say that
Gut feeling.

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And Howson adds : "i'm a clown i'm sorry for being a disgrace to the business of hockey"

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Can't see how you trade marc at this point. I mean, thats #80 on the list of reasons to keep staal, but maybe the prospect of getting shiny new toy jordan will satisfy certain fans.

I can't believe staal + for ryan was proposed. Unbelievable.

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06-21-2012, 04:12 PM
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‪#CBJ‬ GM Scott Howson says club has no interest in moving up to No. 1. Hints at strong possibility of trading down.

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06-21-2012, 04:12 PM
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Either Howson is a buffoon with no sense of actual trade value, or he really does not want to trade Nash and is simply going through the motions because Nash demanded a trade. In that case, he says, sorry Rick, I tried, but there weren't good enough offers for you.

If Nash truly wants out, he needs to start to exert some public pressure on Howson. Ironically, all he probably he needs to do is give an honest, public assessment of what it's like being a CBJ so far, and where he sees the team going under current management. I suspect he would be traded in short order once those opinions go public, because Howson cannot afford that kind of backlash given his dismal track record.

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Honestly, if Sather is confident Jordan Staal will be there next summer, I play the year out and go after him. Unfortunately, I can't see Pittsburgh trading him to us. My only fear is Carolina acquiring him and him re-signing long term there.

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06-21-2012, 04:13 PM
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Does jordan staal's news take carolina out of the running for nash or ryan?

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06-21-2012, 04:15 PM
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Is it wrong to have have visions of Jordan Staal centering Kreider and Stepan, who moves to RW?

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Does jordan staal's news take carolina out of the running for nash or ryan?
Absoutely

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Howson might really be the worst GM in the history of the NHL.

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I still predict Nash dont get moved no one is paying that price w that cap hit
I don't know more than you do, but I do know that there is no guarantee that what people say is true.

Ask anyone that knows the ins and outs of a negotiation, and they will tell you that in general its better to put a high opening offer on the table. And try to hang on to that as long as possible.

On the other side, you got a transaction risk that will start to grow at the end of the season when/if Nash is fed up with Columbus and holds out and as well as when suitors fill their need with other players.

Truth to be told, I honestly believes that Howson is doing a good job and will get a higher offer than he would have received at the deadline. A team like Philly could very well end up offering like Schenn and/or JVR or something like that. More often than not -- you get a big fat nothing when dealing a player like Nash.

Look at when Jagr wanted out of Pittsburg, when Joe T wanted out of Boston and when Big E wanted out of Qubeck. Marian Hossa wanted out from Atlanta.

Pittsburg got nothing for Jaromir Jagr in hindsight (Kris Beech, Michal Sivek and Ross Lupaschuk).

Boston got something, but not much that made a diffrence from a contenders point of view (Marco Sturm, Brad Stuart and Wayne Primeau (and the two last mentioned subsequently becam Andrew Ference and Chuck Kobasew)).

Atlanta got nothing and then a little less for Hossa (Colby Armstrong, Erik Christensen and Angelo Esposito).

Qubeck got a ton for Lindros. But really, if Forsberg busts, in hindsight the return would have been pretty mediocre too...

Like I said, I don't know what Howson is doing. He could be crazy. But my valuation of the situation is that he is playing his cards right up to this point, and when the situation is right -- he will pull the trigger and take the "best" offer. At least if there is a acceptable offer on the table.

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