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06-21-2012, 06:37 PM
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Because they're super high. I would love if it Columbus had a supporting cast for him, but, they don't. He isn't going anywhere here anytime soon so it's time to move on and dominate like he knows he can.
Rick Nash will be a huge acquisition to whoever acquires him. The problem is this is HFBOARDS and points mean more than anything else to this site. No one understands how good of a difference maker he is going to make and likely going to score a lot more with some decent help around him.

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Funny you mention that...

The Sharks don't have any futures to offer, so their offer would be roster players. Assuming the rumors are true and Pavelski is being dangled, then we would be trading a proven 50-60 pt foward with Selke level defense for the CHANCE that Nash lights it up with Thornton.
yeah the sharks are offering way to much, it would def be a bad deal for them, i am mostly talking about ottawa

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All I'm going to say that wherever Nash ends up he is going to go off the chains. The guy is a monster when he has players to play with. Look at his track record. He scored 40 goals while playing with Ray Whitney who is probably the best linemate he's ever had.

Nash with Giroux or Richards or Thornton would be absolutely nasty and he could very well pot 50 goals. We've yet to see the full potential of Rick Nash in the NHL.
If I thought he'd score 50 goals, I'd actually be willing to include Kreider. Nash is what he is right now a 30 goal scorer (has been for the last 3 years), We can come up with all kinds of scenarios where this could happen, that might happen, etc, bottom line, right now at this moment, Nash is a 30 goal scorer 60+ point guy with a 7.8 million cap hit for 6 more years.

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Rick Nash will be a huge acquisition to whoever acquires him. The problem is this is HFBOARDS and points mean more than anything else to this site. No one understands how good of a difference maker he is going to make and likely going to score a lot more with some decent help around him.
All of those sames things can be said about Pavelski. Also, do you realize Pavelski was 11th in Selke voting this year? Should have been higher too, but most of the writers are asleep when the Sharks play.

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yeah the sharks are offering way to much, it would def be a bad deal for them, i am mostly talking about ottawa
those are names being thrown around, not an offer. I'm sure Pavelski's name came from Howson, and the other names came from San Jose.

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Rick Nash will be a huge acquisition to whoever acquires him. The problem is this is HFBOARDS and points mean more than anything else to this site. No one understands how good of a difference maker he is going to make and likely going to score a lot more with some decent help around him.
He's being paid to be the guy on a team. Which in Ottawa, SJ and Philly he won't be. Why should either of those teams gut their team and prospect pool for a supporting guy?

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Funny you mention that...

The Sharks don't have any futures to offer, so their offer would be roster players. Assuming the rumors are true and Pavelski is being dangled, then we would be trading a proven 50-60 pt foward with Selke level defense for the CHANCE that Nash lights it up with Thornton.
Nash brings a whole lot more to the table than Pavelski does. He is a very good power forward who has put up 40+ goals before. He is like a better Dustin Brown, why wouldn't you want that?

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Why do people not want Nash, he is a great player and giving up prospects that may or may not be good in the NHL is a good risk to take. A bird in the hand folks!
$7.8M a year and parting with young assets, no thanks.

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Nash brings a whole lot more to the table than Pavelski does. He is a very good power forward who has put up 40+ goals before. He is like a better Dustin Brown, why wouldn't you want that?
Pavelski brings 50-60 points, can pot up to 30 goals and brings a selke level defense with him. Nash is good. But not as good as two pavelski's (which is almost how much he costs).

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Pavelski brings 50-60 points, can pot up to 30 goals and brings a selke level defense with him. Nash is good. But not as good as two pavelski's (which is almost how much he costs).
He costs 2 Pavelski's and Howson is asking for 5 Pavelski's.

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Nash brings a whole lot more to the table than Pavelski does. He is a very good power forward who has put up 40+ goals before. He is like a better Dustin Brown, why wouldn't you want that?
Nash is a more prolific offensive player yes, but he's also a winger that isn't going to be one of the best face-off men in the league or a solid defensive forward. He also comes at about double the salary.

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Nash brings a whole lot more to the table than Pavelski does. He is a very good power forward who has put up 40+ goals before. He is like a better Dustin Brown, why wouldn't you want that?
The only thing Nash would bring any more of over Pav's is goals. Pavelski is hands down better at pretty much every other facet of the game.

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Pavelski brings 50-60 points, can pot up to 30 goals and brings a selke level defense with him. Nash is good. But not as good as two pavelski's (which is almost how much he costs).
You don't know that though, that is just pure speculation.

Nash with Thorton would be one hell of a line. Not to mention we just watched the Kings absolutely destroy with Dustin Brown, who is a very similar player to Nash and obviously that got them to a Stanley Cup, not a 7th seed first round 5 game exit

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Nash brings a whole lot more to the table than Pavelski does. He is a very good power forward who has put up 40+ goals before. He is like a better Dustin Brown, why wouldn't you want that?
He scored 41 goals once, 40 one other time, hardly 40+ a year. Trading Pavelski for Nash is asinine.

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He costs 2 Pavelski's and Howson is asking for 5 Pavelski's.
So we'd be -3 Pavelski's after the trade. Not a good idea.

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The only thing Nash would bring any more of over Pav's is goals.
Don't forget cap hit!

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All of those sames things can be said about Pavelski. Also, do you realize Pavelski was 11th in Selke voting this year? Should have been higher too, but most of the writers are asleep when the Sharks play.
Oh, hon. If you're willing to set the precedent of "we can argue about 'shouldas' in trophy voting and have it taken seriously and meaningfully", we'll be able to go on all day.

For all our sakes, please don't go there.

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He costs 2 Pavelski's and Howson is asking for 5 Pavelski's.
Bull**** he is. Howson's asking for a Pavelski, some other roster guy, and two futures.

I'm beginning to think that Howson's actual supposed offers are getting ignored by folks because they can't possibly be as outrageous as the hype machine insists, and so they go and start kvetching about Straw Howson and how unreasonable his negotiating tactics are. There's little concrete info, so folks are just listening to the hyperbole and then adding on more hyperbole of their own. It's like a hyperbolic oral tradition dedicated to conveying the message of Howson Is Unreasonable.

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You don't know that though, that is just pure speculation.

Nash with Thorton would be one hell of a line. Not to mention we just watched the Kings absolutely destroy with Dustin Brown, who is a very similar player to Nash and obviously that got them to a Stanley Cup, not a 7th seed first round 5 game exit
What part is pure speculation? Pavelski scoring 50-60 points? Which he has? Scoring 30 goals? Which he just did? Bringing selke level d? Voted #11 this year? Nash costing almost as much as two Pavelski's? 7.8 vs 4?

Heatley with Thornton would be one hell of a line. Two big bodies who'll light up the opposition and it'll be awesome.


I highly doubt Nash on the team minus all the assests Howsen want's gets the Sharks a cup. In fact it'd probably an 8th seed first round sweep exit.

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If I thought he'd score 50 goals, I'd actually be willing to include Kreider.
I stopped reading here. You won't score goals when your centers are Steve Heinze, Mike Sillinger, Andrew Cassels and an aged Sergei Fedorov.

I can't tell you how wrong you guys are when talking about Nash. When he tries, you cannot stop him. You cannot stop him. He is a tank. He is a lot like LBJ. When Nash decides, "I'm going to the net with this puck," he is going to the net with the puck. Ask the Phoenix Coyotes. Ask the Detroit Red Wings. Ask Nick Lidstrom himself! You aren't stopping Nash when he tries. Sadly, he hasn't tried his hardest in quite a few years because he has no one to help him out.

Any team that trades for Nash will immediately see results and will immediately say, "OK, fair trade!"

Just youtube the guys name, dude. Rick Nash can easily score 50 goals with Giroux, Richards, Thornton (whom he won a championship with during the lockout), or even a more second-tier center like Pavelski, Krejci, or Bergeron.

Rick Nash will go insane next season. Mark my words.. save this post! I want to be able to gloat

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To be perfectly honest, it looks like Scott Howson is out of his mind.

Who knows which rumors are true and which aren't, but that Ottawa package is more than fair, and is about what Jackets fans should expect. Will it look fair if you think Nash will go on to be a 50-60 goal 100 point star with his new team? No. But right now, he's a 60 point, 7.8 million dollar player who's asked for a trade.

- Top 5 prospect
- Decent top 6 player
- Decent prospect
- Pick

You could even mix it up and go:

- Lower level top 3 forward/top 3 defenseman, good prospect, decent prospect, pick.

But I don't for a second believe that Philly would offer JVR + Couturier + in a trade, or that the Rangers would offer Del Zotto + Stepan +.

And if that's what Howson's expecting, let's just get ready for the "Will Rick Nash show up to camp" threads.

We should all remember that Nash has hit the 70 point plateau just once in his career. And he makes 7.8 million.

Would he be better on a better team? Probably. Maybe. We don't know for sure. That's a big risk, especially for the price.

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Oh, hon. If you're willing to set the precedent of "we can argue about 'shouldas' in trophy voting and have it taken seriously and meaningfully", we'll be able to go on all day.

For all our sakes, please don't go there.



Bull**** he is. Howson's asking for a Pavelski, some other roster guy, and two futures.

I'm beginning to think that Howson's actual supposed offers are getting ignored by folks because they can't possibly be as outrageous as the hype machine insists, and so they go and start kvetching about Straw Howson and how unreasonable his negotiating tactics are.
Zibanejad
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Foligno
1st round pick (15th overall)
2 lesser prospects

^the rumored Sens offer^

is way closer to 5 Pavelski's in value than 2.

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Nash is a lot like Lyndon Baines Johnson?

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Zibanejad
Lehner
Foligno
1st round pick (15th overall)
2 lesser prospects

^the rumored Sens offer^

is way closer to 5 Pavelski's in value than 2.
Are you joking? Z+Lehner = Pavelski and Foligno+15th = Pavs

EDIT: And frankly, I'm confident at least one of those trades would be declined by a majority of Sharks fans.

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What part is pure speculation? Pavelski scoring 50-60 points? Which he has? Scoring 30 goals? Which he just did? Bringing selke level d? Voted #11 this year? Nash costing almost as much as two Pavelski's? 7.8 vs 4?

Heatley with Thornton would be one hell of a line. Two big bodies who'll light up the opposition and it'll be awesome.


I highly doubt Nash on the team minus all the assests Howsen want's gets the Sharks a cup. In fact it'd probably an 8th seed first round sweep exit.
You don't think at all that ya know maybe Nash will be a better player when he isn't playing for the worst team in the National Hockey League. You don't think a dangerous power forward who was once considered top ten in the league will bounce back when traded from a basement team to a contender.

I'm gonna ****ing laugh when he lights it up next year on another team and Pavelski ***** the ****ing bed and San Jose fails in the playoffs again and Nash makes it deep into the playoffs on another team...like Ottawa who is going in the opposite direction of a once formidable team that barely made the playoffs last year.

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