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06-21-2012, 06:24 PM
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Can't see them trading down too far. If they have a defenseman in mind they may as well drop a bit unless its Murray, then 7-9 will leave them with nice options and dropping that much should return a decent bounty. If its a forward like Forsberg,Grigorenko,Galchenyuk or Teravainen they're best to stay put as all 4 could disappear in short order.

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06-21-2012, 06:33 PM
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06-21-2012, 06:38 PM
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To Cbus:
5th, 35th, 3rd round 2013.

To Tor:
2nd


??????? Close, too much, not enough?
One of Murray or Forsberg should still be there.

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06-21-2012, 06:39 PM
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i believe when the leafs went from 7 to 5 to grab schenn it cost them their 2nd and 3rd pick that year i believe.

Its likely going to cost around the same.
7->5 =\= 5->2
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To Cbus:
5th, 35th, 3rd round 2013.

To Tor:
2nd


??????? Close, too much, not enough?
No thanks. Not enough incentive.

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06-21-2012, 06:45 PM
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7->5 =\= 5->2


No thanks. Not enough incentive.
What are you looking for? This is a strange draft 2-5 are very similar but different teams have different needs.
If you looking at 1 of Murray or Forsberg you could still grab one at 5.
Murray is probably better than Gally but the Habs and Leafs want a center.

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06-21-2012, 06:47 PM
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Your 2nd in 2012, and your 1st in 2013 conditional on whether or not our guy is there at #5.

(No, I'm not sure if I'm serious either.)
Toronto shouldn't be moving their 2013 1st round selection for obvious reasons.

Would Columbus be interested in former, but recent, 1st round picks like Tyler Biggs or Stuart Percy alongside this year's 2nd rounder? Maybe, 2010 2nd round selection, Brad Ross? I reckon that may even be a slight overpayment but I doubt the player I covet most would be available come the 5th overall pick

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06-21-2012, 06:55 PM
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Toronto shouldn't be moving their 2013 1st round selection for obvious reasons.

Would Columbus be interested in former, but recent, 1st round picks like Tyler Biggs or Stuart Percy alongside this year's 2nd rounder? Maybe, 2010 2nd round selection, Brad Ross? I reckon that may even be a slight overpayment but I doubt the player I covet most would be available come the 5th overall pick
I dont know if I would be willing to give up that much.
Gally is a gret prospect but the difrence between him and Grigo or Forsberg isnt another first(or former first) and a second.

If Cbus is set on Murray then the 5th is probably to low anyway as the Iles wont pass on him. But if its Forsberg they like they can likley get him at 5. May as well pick up a second + small piece and Forsberg than just Forsberg.

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I dont know if I would be willing to give up that much.
Gally is a gret prospect but the difrence between him and Grigo or Forsberg isnt another first(or former first) and a second.

If Cbus is set on Murray then the 5th is probably to low anyway as the Iles wont pass on him. But if its Forsberg they like they can likley get him at 5. May as well pick up a second + small piece and Forsberg than just Forsberg.
Don't bet on it. If Galy is gone at 2nd, the Habs probably will pick Forsberg. It is certain that The Islanders will pick Murray at 4th.

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06-21-2012, 07:01 PM
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I dont know if I would be willing to give up that much.
Gally is a gret prospect but the difrence between him and Grigo or Forsberg isnt another first(or former first) and a second.

If Cbus is set on Murray then the 5th is probably to low anyway as the Iles wont pass on him. But if its Forsberg they like they can likley get him at 5. May as well pick up a second + small piece and Forsberg than just Forsberg.
You misunderstand. We don't want "likely". We want "all but guaranteed". And if Montreal doesn't get Galchenyuk, they'll probably take Forsberg.

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06-21-2012, 07:07 PM
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You misunderstand. We don't want "likely". We want "all but guaranteed". And if Montreal doesn't get Galchenyuk, they'll probably take Forsberg.
You get that guaranteed from the Habs. and you gain a 5th for free.

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06-21-2012, 07:27 PM
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You get that guaranteed from the Habs. and you gain a 5th for free.
If it's actually free, rather than the "oh and you're throwing in another 7th rounder too" kind of "free", then moving down one spot under those circumstances is probably not an issue.

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This is legit. Aaron Portzline said he heard this from a source as well. Could it be TOR? hmm

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06-21-2012, 07:32 PM
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This is legit. Aaron Portzline said he heard this from a source as well. Could it be TOR? hmm
I'm tempted to guess the Isles. They could use Murray and we might be safe to get Forsberg at 4 if Montreal is dialed in to Galchenyuk

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06-21-2012, 07:33 PM
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nino + 4th...sure

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06-21-2012, 07:34 PM
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nino + 4th...sure
To move up 2 spots? Wouldn't count on it, unless the Oiler's pass on Nail.

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It wouldn't surprise me at all if the teams holding the first 5 or 6 picks have very different top 5 lists. And not just ordering, but players too. For instance, I doubt the Habs have Reinhart in their top 5, but it seems that he's somewhere there for Edmonton. Then you have wildcards like Grigorenko and Teravainen, especially the latter, who could be anywhere in a team's top 10. Or, consensus top 5 guys like Forsberg and Galchenyuk could be anywhere from 2 to 5, maybe even 1 in Galchenyuk's case.

The unpredictability at the top makes it hard to trade down. It seems that there isn't lot of safety in banking on your guy being off the board at where you're supposed to pick, and thus likely to be available if you trade down just a few spots. Even guys like Rielly and Dumba, who are usually grouped in the second wave of top prospects, show up very high in some lists.

In terms of trading up and down, I think the top 3 teams at least are going to have to play their cards as dealt. Unless they're looking at a stupendous reach that no one has considered for even a second, then they're just going to have to go with their list. And if that produces a few surprises in the top 3 -- Yakupov slides, a non-Murray defenceman gets taken, or Teravainen goes ahead of Forsberg and Galchenyuk -- then that in turn could cause a scramble.

Basically, I don't predict any trades up or down until the 3rd pick is made. And to go back to the topic (the topic is really about Toronto, only ostensibly about Columbus), I think that potentially favours Burke.

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06-21-2012, 07:54 PM
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Columbus has so many needs that it's plausible they could move back in the first multiple times to pick up a bunch of 2nd round picks in a draft that looks to have a solid round there.

However, Columbus's #1 priority could be to get a star player to replace Nash. In that case it wouldn't make any sense to trade back further than 3 or 4.

In the case of the former we could see a series of trades like this:

2nd for 5th + 35th + Franson
5th for 11th + 16th
Use 11th
16th for 19th + 40th
19th for 25th + 56th
25th for 42nd + 44th

Ultimately they'd receive for the 2nd overall:

Franson
11th
35th
40th
42nd
44th
56th

Okay those are all horrible trades.

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06-21-2012, 08:05 PM
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Just read this.

@JohnLuTSNMtl: #CBJ GM Howson says he's committed to #2 overall pick and will make his selection "regardless of passport or position".

Guess the Leafs won't be seeing Gally.

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06-21-2012, 08:08 PM
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Columbus has so many needs that it's plausible they could move back in the first multiple times to pick up a bunch of 2nd round picks in a draft that looks to have a solid round there.

However, Columbus's #1 priority could be to get a star player to replace Nash. In that case it wouldn't make any sense to trade back further than 3 or 4.

In the case of the former we could see a series of trades like this:

2nd for 5th + 35th + Franson
...annnnnnnd that's where you lost me.

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Okay those are all horrible trades.
Got me back around here, tho.

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06-21-2012, 09:12 PM
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Just read this.

@JohnLuTSNMtl: #CBJ GM Howson says he's committed to #2 overall pick and will make his selection "regardless of passport or position".

Guess the Leafs won't be seeing Gally.
He's commited to #2 unless he trades it.

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He's commited to #2 unless he trades it.
They made the decision tonight so hopefully that's it. To reiterate what I said earlier, Columbus has to treat this draft like previous ones.

Also, Howson's statement mirrors that of Tambellini, Burke, etc. To say "yeah we aren't going to draft that kid because he speaks Russian" would be a PR disaster.

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Isles want to move to #2 to make sure they walk away with Murray or Yakupov

Tor also makes sense

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Is it even possible for Columbus to get any lower?

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If the blue jackets do pick second I think they take Murray.

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Is it even possible for Columbus to get any lower?
Thank God there's not relegation in the NHL!

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