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06-21-2012, 08:23 PM
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heres a question.

would u do AA, Dubi, and Hagelin for Nash.

No picks, no prospects, but 3 roster pieces.


Interesting question. Dont have to mortgage the future, but losing 3 roster pieces hurts like hell, especially in a poor market where even mediocre players will get more than they deserve because of how crappy the pickings are.

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06-21-2012, 08:24 PM
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Not sure if it's already been posted, but espn is reporting that Staal is interested in signing a long term extension and being traded to Carolina, not the Rangers. No way Pitts loses him for nothing and they'd do a deal with Carolina long before the Rangers, so you can quit posting all these bogus Jordan Staal scenarios... Next!!

You mean Pierre LeBrun, who incorrectly said that Richards was not going to sign with the Rangers, has said that Jordan wants to reunite with Eric. I'd hardly call that a reason to stop all Jordan Staal speculation.

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06-21-2012, 08:25 PM
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heres a question.

would u do AA, Dubi, and Hagelin for Nash.

No picks, no prospects, but 3 roster pieces.


Interesting question. Dont have to mortgage the future, but losing 3 roster pieces hurts like hell, especially in a poor market where even mediocre players will get more than they deserve because of how crappy the pickings are.
You need to keep one of them, so you likely have to put a #1 pick in the deal.

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06-21-2012, 08:25 PM
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heres a question.

would u do AA, Dubi, and Hagelin for Nash.

No picks, no prospects, but 3 roster pieces.


Interesting question. Dont have to mortgage the future, but losing 3 roster pieces hurts like hell, especially in a poor market where even mediocre players will get more than they deserve because of how crappy the pickings are.
Nope. Three roster players is too much unless I get more than Nash back

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heres a question.

would u do AA, Dubi, and Hagelin for Nash.
If Miller & Fasth were ready.

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I think CK is a 30G guy, and those are rare too and not to be taken lightly. The only thing that worries me with Nash is the cap hit.
I do too and w his cap hit that's very valuable. But if you could guarantee me 40/50 from Nash??? Tough

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06-21-2012, 08:28 PM
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I do too and w his cap hit that's very valuable. But if you could guarantee me 40/50 from Nash??? Tough
Not when Kreider can potentially put up 25-30 goals at 20% of the cap hit.

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What about something like aa hags 2 spects and pick for Nash? And dubi for close or somethin

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06-21-2012, 08:29 PM
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Not when Kreider can potentially put up 25-30 goals at 20% of the cap hit.
Even w cap hit, 50 much better than 25-30

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06-21-2012, 08:31 PM
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What about something like aa hags 2 spects and pick for Nash? And dubi for close or somethin
Just curious, but why should Nash have more market value than Jagr, Pronger, Blake, Hossa, Thornton or Kovalchuk, when he's not better than any one of those players?

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Sather will get Nash + coming back I feel pretty strongly about that. Who else on CBJ do we want Moore? I'd say he'd try get Brassard, but cap wise I don't think it will happen.

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06-21-2012, 08:33 PM
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Just curious, by why should Nash have more market value than Jagr, Pronger, Blake, Hossa, Thornton or Kovalchuk, when he's not better than anyone of those players?
He really shouldnt. I only offer that if someone else offers anything worthy

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Even w cap hit, 50 much better than 25-30
Nash has never scored more than 41 goals in his career, and hasn't hit 40 in the past three years. I'm not penciling him for 50.

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06-21-2012, 08:34 PM
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i think a bunch of these Swedish kids will be here soon, and under Hank, will fit in well.

must take chances when we are so close...

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06-21-2012, 08:39 PM
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Ryan has played with far superior talent than Nash. Ryan has played on far more competitive teams than Nash.

Nash has played for the worst franchise in the NHL his career while Ryan has played for an ideal destination for any player. The fact that Ryan, a young 20 something player not yet in the prime of his career is being shopped, should raise red flags for you.

Those are the only arguments I need to make. Offensively, Nash is much more of a prolific talent than Ryan. Put him on a better team I can see him hitting his max around 45-50. Defensively, if you were to compare the two, you'd have to go back to when Columbus had any semblance of competitiveness in them to be able to accurately make an assessment. Hard to be as committed to playing defense when you're team has like 40 points and every one else has like 80...
The fact that you would make such a comment raises red flags about the credibility of anything you have to say regarding this topic. I mean this in the nicest way possible, but this is ********.

Ryan is being shopped, or will eventually be shopped, because the Ducks have a massive imbalance in their lineup. They have three top scoring forwards (four if you count 42 year old Selanne), some impressive offensive defensemen, and very little else. They have terrible depth at forward, and defensively, they have one of the worst groups of defensemen in the league. Their goaltending situation is far from stable, also.

Since you'd have to be brain dead to trade one of the league's top playmaking centers who also happens to be 6'4" (not to mention your captain and the guy who led your franchise to its only championship) or his perfectly matched running mate, a guy who won the Rocket Richard Trophy two seasons ago, the only logical move would be to trade Ryan, who has far more value than anyone else on their team other than Getzlaf or Perry in order to accumulate some depth and much-needed balance in your lineup. Combine that with the fact that Ryan, who has 30 or more goals in EACH of his first four NHL seasons, has made it known that he desires a role larger than the guy who is routinely shuffled back and forth between Getzlaf and Perry's LW and the team's constantly reorganized second line, and you can see that there are no red flags to be concerned about. Just a team with a lot of holes to fill and a very, very good young player that feels he deserves (rightfully so) to have a larger role (much like Jordan Staal apparently does), whether it is in Anaheim or somewhere else.

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Nash has never scored more than 41 goals in his career, and hasn't hit 40 in the past three years. I'm not penciling him for 50.
I agree and that's why I wouldn't trade kreider for him bc I don't think he would hit even 40 here. Right now he's a 60 pt player and has been for last 3 years

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06-21-2012, 08:46 PM
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heres a question.

would u do AA, Dubi, and Hagelin for Nash.

No picks, no prospects, but 3 roster pieces.


Interesting question. Dont have to mortgage the future, but losing 3 roster pieces hurts like hell, especially in a poor market where even mediocre players will get more than they deserve because of how crappy the pickings are.
That is a steep price to pay, it would gut our depth. We have to rebuild a 3rd line and there is no ready prospect ready to step in.
I would consider it If it's for Nash +, it depends on what the + is.

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No way we get both Nash and Ryan right?

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06-21-2012, 08:49 PM
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I do too and w his cap hit that's very valuable. But if you could guarantee me 40/50 from Nash??? Tough
Big if and nobody can because he never scored more than 41.
Under Torts, I question whether he will pot 40 ever again. 30 is the max I think.

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06-21-2012, 08:49 PM
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No way we get both Nash and Ryan right?
I was thinking the same thing.

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Not sure if it's already been posted, but espn is reporting that Staal is interested in signing a long term extension and being traded to Carolina, not the Rangers. No way Pitts loses him for nothing and they'd do a deal with Carolina long before the Rangers, so you can quit posting all these bogus Jordan Staal scenarios... Next!!
espn is as reliable as shanahan's rulings

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Well when it's coming from Staal himself, I'd call it reliable..


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No way we get both Nash and Ryan right?
Salary cap going up to 100 mill next year?

Not only is the salary cap most likely going down or staying the same but we don't have the pieces to get both of them and completely gut our team.

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Howson said the field of teams interested in Nash has widened, but Nash has a no-trade clause and reportedly has not adjusted the short list of teams he'd be willing to go to. The Rangers and Sharks are believed to be on that list, though there was no indication from the Rangers side that the high asking price Howson has set is lowering to their liking.

Another big name who could be in trade play this weekend is Jordan Staal, who turned down a 10-year extension believed to be worth $60 million offered by the Penguins. Word around the league is that Staal, who has one year at $4 million left on his current deal, would like to play alongside brother Eric with the Hurricanes. The Rangers have another Staal brother, of course, and would be very interested in having Jordan join Marc.
http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey...raft-1.3797950

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06-21-2012, 08:57 PM
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Well when it's coming from Staal himself, I'd call it reliable..
Staal just told me that he's planning on signing a contract with NYI.


see what I did there?

Edit: rb's quote is a lot more believable. "word around the league"

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