Offensive Defenceman, but from what I saw last year (only 8 Phoenix Regular Season games according to my chart ), he was stable defensively.
Great puck mover. That's his best asset.
Pretty durable too. Hasn't missed a game in 3 seasons but shouldn't we be looking for a defensive defense man? Phillips is on a regression, Cowen isn't quite there yet and Kuba is likely gone.
He kinda reminds me of a young Wade Redden. Without the breakout pass of course, but Redden's breakout pass was generational, and there isn't anyone in the league with prime Redden's breakout pass.
Yandle's a better skater though.
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When I purchased NHL Gamecenter this year, I decided that I wanted to watch each team play at least 8 times. I surpassed that for every team except Phoenix, Anaheim, and Columbus, which I got to exactly 8.
Weird, I know, but it was fun. Watched 79 R. Season Sens Games.
Holy crap that's a lot of hockey. How big is this chart?
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We aren't getting Ceci if we get Yandle. Our 1st is going to be involved in the trade.
Yandle would improve this team significantly. Fills a big need now and in the future. That's a guy to go after. Yandle and Karlsson's skating on the back end would be an incredible thing to watch.
And AP, there is a guy who can break out with one pass like Redden did in the NHL. He just won the Norris.
EDIT: Yandle to Boston makes a lot of sense. Maybe a deal around Krecji and Yandle. Boston needs a puck mover, Phoenix needs centers. Krecji could be a #1.
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Karlsson's breakout pass is miles ahead of where Redden's was.
Which makes me think you never watched Redden in his prime play for the Ottawa Senators.
I have vivid memories of him coming around the back of the net with a guy draped all over him (dead-puck era rules), pick up the puck with one hand on his stick on his backhand, and without looking, flip a perfect lob pass through/over two opponents to a streaking Marian Hossa at center ice (two-line pass rule still in effect) who took the pass in stride for a partial breakaway.
Redden had far and away the greatest first-pass in the NHL. It was on that one skill alone that he was a top-5 defenseman in the league, especially considering how he wasn't really elite in any other area. Good-great in other areas sure, but that was his one elite attribute.
Maybe the 2 line pass being eliminated tilts things unfairly in Karlsson's favor, but I've seen some ridiculous breakout passes from Karlsson.
Karlsson has more options. The other team has to respect his skating ability and defend against him going end-to-end. Redden never had that advantage because he didn't have the skating ability to do that. He relied on that pass.
The thing with Karlsson is, he tries to pass through people and it doesn't work sometimes. Redden HAD to pass through people because he didn't have the skating ability to get open but his breakout passes still worked. He did things that shouldn't be done because they shouldn't work but they turned into fast breakouts. The entire gameplan was based around Redden's breakout passes.
The entire reason we went to the 1-1-3 trap in the first place was because it was a counter-attacking system that took full advantage of the fact that Redden got the puck on the turnover and could hit our forwards that were already going the other way. That's why Redden was targeted the way he was and part of the reason for his decline. He just couldn't avoid the hits like Karlsson can with his skating, and physically wore down.
Anyway, I understand that people are reluctant to trade away some of our prospects, but think about this.
Brayden Schenn
Wayne Simmonds
Jack Johnson
1st round pick
2nd round pick
turned into Mike Richards and Jeff Carter.
Do you think that L.A. fans are concerned about giving up prospects right now?
No, but they missed the playoffs for 6 seasons in a row and used their high picks on D. Brown, Kopitar, Bernier, Doughty while creating a wealth of tradeable assets with 13 other 1st & 2nd rounds picks between 2003 & 2008 (6 drafts).
Ottawa missed the playoffs twice and can't afford to make a mistake by trading away a D. Brown, Kopitar, Bernier or a Doughty and we don't have any where near the depth that the Kings did.
Toronto traded away picks and prospects like that for the past decade; do you think that they regret it? ... Yeah, they sure as **** do!
Well I think we do indeed have the depth to make some similar trades.
We are talking about Nash who is 28, and Yandle & Ryan who are both 25.
Players in or approaching their prime years.
Right now guys like Zibanejad, Stone, Puempel, Noesen, and Lehner are question marks. All could hit, all could miss. Right now they all have potential.
Moving a couple of them for a sure thing or 2 is going to address the present and the future as well.
The Leafs are an altogether different story. I'm not advocating that Murray go and dump a bunch of 1st rounders on dinosaurs like Gary Roberts, Joe Nieuwendyk, or Owen Nolan.
Back to Nash, another thing in our favor is that we can take on the cap hit. I doubt that many teams can.
I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens at the draft.
Shultz wants to go to a canadian team and play in the top 4. How about a chance to play with the norris trophy winner?
(guess he wants to go out west though. Hope he gets what he wants. Who do these guys think they are?)
Well I think we do indeed have the depth to make some similar trades.
We are talking about Nash who is 28, and Yandle & Ryan who are both 25.
Players in or approaching their prime years.
Right now guys like Zibanejad, Stone, Puempel, Noesen, and Lehner are question marks. All could hit, all could miss. Right now they all have potential.
Zibanejad, Noeson, Lehner & Silfverberg are our 4 best prospects... there's no substituting them for more questionable prospects and then saying that we still have lots. If we're planning on dealing the quality from our prospects pool (these guys), then there really isn't much left to build around. Most of the other guys are hoped to become depth players.
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The Leafs are an altogether different story. I'm not advocating that Murray go and dump a bunch of 1st rounders on dinosaurs like Gary Roberts, Joe Nieuwendyk, or Owen Nolan.
The Leafs dealt 4 x 1st rounders and 2 x 2nd rounders on:
26yo Raycroft
30yo Toskala
21yo Kessel
Karlsson has more options. The other team has to respect his skating ability and defend against him going end-to-end. Redden never had that advantage because he didn't have the skating ability to do that. He relied on that pass.
The thing with Karlsson is, he tries to pass through people and it doesn't work sometimes. Redden HAD to pass through people because he didn't have the skating ability to get open but his breakout passes still worked. He did things that shouldn't be done because they shouldn't work but they turned into fast breakouts. The entire gameplan was based around Redden's breakout passes.
The entire reason we went to the 1-1-3 trap in the first place was because it was a counter-attacking system that took full advantage of the fact that Redden got the puck on the turnover and could hit our forwards that were already going the other way. That's why Redden was targeted the way he was and part of the reason for his decline. He just couldn't avoid the hits like Karlsson can with his skating, and physically wore down.
Zibanejad, Noeson, Lehner & Silfverberg are our 4 best prospects... there's no substituting them for more questionable prospects and then saying that we still have lots. If we're planning on dealing the quality from our prospects pool (these guys), then there really isn't much left to build around. Most of the other guys are hoped to become depth players.
I wouldn't say that Zibanejad or Noesen are on a level where we're going to be building around them. I don't think either project to be more than good 2nd liners. Right now we're lucky because one of the best players, if not the best player, on our team is only 22 years old. We have a lot of young talent already playing in the NHL (Karlsson, Cowen, Greening, Foligno, Smith, Turris, Bishop etc.) and mid-aged talent that will still be around for a while (Spezza, Anderson, Neil, Michalek, etc.)
We can deal the above-mentioned (I wouldn't move Silfverberg personally) for an improvement right now and it's not going to hurt us in the long run because we already have developed quite a bit of young talent and our team's superstars/good players aren't old.
For example if we did the Nash trade that is rumored (Zibanejad, Lehner/Bishop, Foligno) we would still be left with a pretty impressive prospect pool:
That's not even going into the players that should become depth players. Ultimately I think if we're going to be trading a bunch of prospects/picks to get a mid-aged 'star' or at least a high level player...now or next year is the time to do it.
), he was stable defensively.
