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06-21-2012, 09:39 PM
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I see Smid and Hammer as the exact same type of players, who is better is an arguement. I think they are both very underrated players, outside of people who are fans of their teams.

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06-21-2012, 10:11 PM
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Tampa:

18th overall
Hjalmarsson
Pirri

Chicago:

10th overall

Hammer looked FANTASTIC with Hedman in the Worlds last month.

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06-21-2012, 10:13 PM
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Tampa:

18th overall
Hjalmarsson
Pirri

Chicago:

10th overall

Hammer looked FANTASTIC with Hedman in the Worlds last month.
19th for Hjalmarsson?

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06-21-2012, 10:16 PM
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Tampa:

18th overall
Hjalmarsson
Pirri

Chicago:

10th overall

Hammer looked FANTASTIC with Hedman in the Worlds last month.


That is one of the worst trade proposals I have ever seen on HF

Give up a top 4 dman and a good prospect to move up 8 spots in draft (Not even moving into top 5)

Congrats

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Hammer for 19th is perfect for both teams IMO.

Or we can expand it if the Blackhawks would like a goalie prospect close to ready for the NHL like Tokarski.

Hammer+2nd round pick for Tokarski+19th.

Something like that.

I think we make good partners.
Tokarski isn't worth a 2nd round pick

Simple Hammer for #19 makes more sense

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06-21-2012, 10:18 PM
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I think Chicago is regretting not letting San Jose sign Hammer.

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06-21-2012, 10:20 PM
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Hjalmarsson to Carolina, just to keep the Simpsons theme going.

Skinner, McBain and Superintendent Hjalmarsson.

This.

Thanks dude, that made me laugh. I actually played the theme song in my head

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06-21-2012, 10:21 PM
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That is one of the worst trade proposals I have ever seen on HF

Give up a top 4 dman and a good prospect to move up 8 spots in draft (Not even moving into top 5)

Congrats



Tokarski isn't worth a 2nd round pick

Simple Hammer for #19 makes more sense
I think he is worth a 2nd pretty easily. But either way I like the 19th for Hammer straight just fine too.

Someone call the GMs and tell them to get it done.

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06-21-2012, 10:23 PM
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I think he is worth a 2nd pretty easily. But either way I like the 19th for Hammer straight just fine too.

Someone call the GMs and tell them to get it done.
Indeed, I'm all giddy now...

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06-21-2012, 10:24 PM
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That is one of the worst trade proposals I have ever seen on HF

Give up a top 4 dman and a good prospect to move up 8 spots in draft (Not even moving into top 5)

Congrats



Tokarski isn't worth a 2nd round pick

Simple Hammer for #19 makes more sense
Hammer for the 19th ruins the Hawks D.

Is my proposal really that bad? Tampa gets a top 4 Dman who showed great chemistry with the Bolts #1 Dman, a legitimate center prospect and the 18th overall.

Gaustad got a freaking 1st rounder. Hammer ++ should get a higher 1st.

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So if they move out both of them, and then fail to sign Suter.... they have....?

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06-21-2012, 10:42 PM
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Hammer for the 19th ruins the Hawks D.

Is my proposal really that bad? Tampa gets a top 4 Dman who showed great chemistry with the Bolts #1 Dman, a legitimate center prospect and the 18th overall.

Gaustad got a freaking 1st rounder. Hammer ++ should get a higher 1st.
Hammer isn't getting a higher first, your proposal has him and a prospect moving their own pick up 8 spots. Terrible deal. A low second could move you up those spots.

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06-21-2012, 10:47 PM
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I see Smid and Hammer as the exact same type of players, who is better is an arguement. I think they are both very underrated players, outside of people who are fans of their teams.
Oilers draft Yakupov.
Oilers trade for Hjalmarsson.
nhl.com punmaster goes nuts.

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06-21-2012, 10:52 PM
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What would it cost to get Hjalmarsson in D.C.?

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06-21-2012, 11:31 PM
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Hindsight is 20/20

At this moment it was mistake

Cost us Niemi and 1st/3rd round picks

But we had no way to see into future and see that Hammer's development would stall
This. Its tough to get down on the Hawks here, because Hammer at the time looked to be budding into a real asset. However, his offensive game hasn't developed, he doesn't move the puck well, and since he got suspended for the bad hit against the Sabres, he plays with the ferocity of a tufted tit-mouse. He blocks a lot of shots, good pker, and is defensively sound. He's just not the player we all thought he'd become.

As for the Montador news, this tells me the Hawks brass thinks Olsen can step in and play Monty's role going forward. I liked the signing at the time, I thought we needed a tough, good 3rd pairing guy and Monty fitted that well. Unfortunately his concussion problems really hampered his play. I don't think they'll get anything of value for him, I'd personally hold onto him and see if he can even play anymore. I'm not worried about cap $, Suter to the Hawks is a pipe dream.

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06-21-2012, 11:46 PM
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Oilers draft Yakupov.
Oilers trade for Hjalmarsson.
nhl.com punmaster goes nuts.
You think the Oilers would want a marshmallow for a D, he gave out less then 50 hits last year and that's for a defensive D.

Player _____BS HTS

Hjalmarsson..142 42

Smid.............184 186

Schultz..........165 83

Petry.............126 126

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06-22-2012, 07:01 AM
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You think the Oilers would want a marshmallow for a D, he gave out less then 50 hits last year and that's for a defensive D.

Player _____BS HTS

Hjalmarsson..142 42

Smid.............184 186

Schultz..........165 83

Petry.............126 126
By calling Hjalmarsson a marshmallow, you are making it pretty evident you have not watched him play. I am the first one to admit I would love to see him hit more, but to say he is soft is the furthest thing from the truth. Guy will step in front of literally anything with no regard for his body. Also, though he doesn't hit often, he can absolutely hammer guys from time to time. He actually used to be relatively physical until he got suspended against Buffalo (forget exactly who it was he hit).

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06-22-2012, 07:05 AM
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I have a wird feeling that Ottawa is waiting for a Nash decision before it goes all in on Hammer. I wouldn't be surprised to see something around him and the the 15th pick.

No proof, just a gut feeling.

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06-22-2012, 08:04 AM
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Didn't watch many Blackhawks games this year....why are they so interested in unloading a young 3.5M/yr defenseman.

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06-22-2012, 08:09 AM
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Didn't watch many Blackhawks games this year....why are they so interested in unloading a young 3.5M/yr defenseman.
Because his greatest quality is being able to block shots. We don't need to pay $3.5M for that.

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06-22-2012, 08:16 AM
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Oilers draft Yakupov.
Oilers trade for Hjalmarsson.
nhl.com punmaster goes nuts.
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You think the Oilers would want a marshmallow for a D, he gave out less then 50 hits last year and that's for a defensive D.

Player _____BS HTS

Hjalmarsson..142 42

Smid.............184 186

Schultz..........165 83

Petry.............126 126

He was just referring to the 'Hammer' and the 'Nail' puns...Not necessarily advocating for the trade..

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06-22-2012, 09:29 AM
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Didn't watch many Blackhawks games this year....why are they so interested in unloading a young 3.5M/yr defenseman.

Q hates him.

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06-22-2012, 09:35 AM
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How Steve Montador has a NTC is astonishing.
Astonishing is the NTC/NMC on the Flames...

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Wouldn't be my first choice for LHD, but would Chicago have any interest in something around D'agostini? Not sure what your depth is looking like on wing but I remember seeing Carcillo on one of the top lines last year...

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By calling Hjalmarsson a marshmallow, you are making it pretty evident you have not watched him play. I am the first one to admit I would love to see him hit more, but to say he is soft is the furthest thing from the truth. Guy will step in front of literally anything with no regard for his body. Also, though he doesn't hit often, he can absolutely hammer guys from time to time. He actually used to be relatively physical until he got suspended against Buffalo (forget exactly who it was he hit).
He's a good shot blocker, but he won't hit anyone. If the suspension was the excuse last year for his lack of hitting, what was the excuse for the 2010-11yr when he had 46hts and in the 2009-10yr when he had 59hts. What do you call a big D that won't hit?

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He's a good shot blocker, but he won't hit anyone. If the suspension was the excuse last year for his lack of hitting, what was the excuse for the 2010-11yr when he had 46hts and in the 2009-10yr when he had 59hts. What do you call a big D that won't hit?

Q's defense scheme.

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