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06-22-2012, 10:19 AM
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Thelen was not a bad pick. Just developed absolutely horrible by the regime.
Maybe they didn't do the exact right things after he flushed out of college, but he was already on his way regressing horribly the year after. I'm not sure what else the organization could do.

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06-22-2012, 10:21 AM
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Maybe they didn't do the exact right things after he flushed out of college, but he was already on his way regressing horribly the year after. I'm not sure what else the organization could do.
This is the thing that is so hard to tell, whether the prospect was just not a good player, or maybe we didn't develop him right.

Sometimes, its easy to tell, like with James Sheppard and Colton Gillies, as they sat on the bench most of the year. The rest of the time you never know.

Is the scouts problem? A player development problem? Or does the player just suck? When a bust happens, I just blame the team, no need to go so specific to say scouting or player development, its all the same thing.

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06-22-2012, 10:23 AM
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Worst after 3 would be any of the overage Euros that weren't Sekeras: Bartos, Virta, Hannula, Brandner, Kopriva, ETC.

Best after 3: for now probably Ryan Jones, although in the long run I like Gustafsson.

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06-22-2012, 10:32 AM
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You could argue that an honorable mention could go to Derek Boogaard (7th round).

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Not until ths new regime did I even think the Wild had a ompetent scouting departent or GM.

I just hope Lord Fletch can keep the trend going.

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Not until ths new regime did I even think the Wild had a ompetent scouting departent or GM.

I just hope Lord Fletch can keep the trend going.
I believed he had a decent scouting department, but there was most definitely wrong in the organization. I mean, we did managed to find Nick Schultz, Mikko Koivu, Pierre-Marc Bouchard, Josh Harding, Brent Burns etc.

After DR left, we drafted Nick Leddy, Matt Hackett, Darcy Kuemper, and Erik Haula, with the same old scouting regime.

That made me conclude that DR had too much a say in who picked and ruined it. Not to mention his terrible decisions to rush Sheppard and Gillies.

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06-22-2012, 10:55 AM
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Thats not what I remember. I remember reading that they saw him on scouting video whilst scouting goaltender Harri Sateri. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Oh, that's correct. They saw Eero crashing the net a lot.

But that was it.

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06-22-2012, 10:58 AM
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Oh, that's correct. They saw Eero crashing the net a lot.

But that was it.
Hey, they saw something they liked and used a late round pick to gamble. I'm okay with that decision.

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Worst after 3 would be any of the overage Euros that weren't Sekeras: Bartos, Virta, Hannula, Brandner, Kopriva, ETC.

Best after 3: for now probably Ryan Jones, although in the long run I like Gustafsson.
The thing is; (and Hannula was not an overager), they shouldn't be considered bad picks. Some of them played in the NHL, some in the AHL. At least they came over and tried. Guys like Walker and Sprunger? Those are bad picks. They never came over here.

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Maybe they didn't do the exact right things after he flushed out of college, but he was already on his way regressing horribly the year after. I'm not sure what else the organization could do.
Bring him in? He was a college player, they could have sent him to the AHL.

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Hey, they saw something they liked and used a late round pick to gamble. I'm okay with that decision.
This is the reason for the thread...

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06-22-2012, 11:11 AM
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Thelen was not a bad pick. Just developed absolutely horrible by the regime.
Thelen had the tools...and was by no strech a "reach" pick...but, like Pouliot, there were some warning signs. I'm sure the previous regime didn't do him any favors, but most of the problem stemmed with him, IMO.

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This is the reason for the thread...
Eh, fine line.

For me, a bad pick would be a pick that made no sense.

Like Matt Kassian in the 2nd round...maybe Aaron Boogaard? Was he even picked for talent or was he just so he could feed into the Boogaard fan hype?

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Bring him in? He was a college player, they could have sent him to the AHL.
That was an option, sure, but I don't believe letting him go to the WHL killed his development. What tells you that going to the AHL would've helped save him? It's not like we just dumped him in the ECHL right away.

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06-22-2012, 11:24 AM
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[QUOTE=danccchan;51242263]Eh, fine line.

For me, a bad pick would be a pick that made no sense.

Like Matt Kassian in the 2nd round...maybe Aaron Boogaard? Was he even picked for talent or was he just so he could feed into the Boogaard fan hype?[/QUOTE]

Thats always been my opinion.

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06-22-2012, 11:36 AM
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That was an option, sure, but I don't believe letting him go to the WHL killed his development. What tells you that going to the AHL would've helped save him? It's not like we just dumped him in the ECHL right away.
Agreed. There have been many people that have been responsible for the development of AJ Thelen in his career, but the one who dropped the ball the most is AJ Thelen. People can blame whoever they want for his career derailment, but he was given many opportunites and failed to take advantage of them. Like I said, management is not blameless in how they handled him, but the primary blame should be on Thelen.

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