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no sarcasm intended here but you do realize vancouver has other assets to offer other than just LU or schnides? if we are getting back what we need there are players vancouver could part with.so if we trade LU we can use other assets to sweeten the deal to get what we want.
Only took us ~13,000 posts to get to that point.
You guys know the drill.
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You bring up Kulemin being the Leafs longest serving Leaf. What does that have to do with anything? Name a couple big name players the Leafs have lost to free agency over the years.
What indication is there that the Leafs have to overpay to keep their players? Any re-signing that has been made by Burke has been right up there with market value as well as taking each individual player's potential into account.
So what if we have 3 forwards signed for the 2013-14 season? The only forward that is worth being re-signed is Lupul. Not to mention, there are MANY teams that have few forwards signed for the 2013-14 season. The Canucks have 6 forwards signed for the 2013-14 season.
It's pretty funny that Vancouver fans are trying to convince us Leafs fans that Burke needs to sell the farm for Luongo so the Leafs can squeak into the playoffs.
Not to be mean, but the last one you had was Mats Sundin...
Are you sure about the $5M? I heard it was $1M per game.
It depends on the franchise and whether they own concessions outright etc. The Canucks, from what I have heard, made approx. 3 mil per home game. Whereas the Leafs, give their last playoff appearance, are on the high end of the spectrum.
I hope this doesn't end before we can get to: Thread never dies or even better "The komisarek is not enough", luo another day, or Casino Roberto....my there are some great potential names. with the bolded being my favorite
It depends on the franchise and whether they own concessions outright etc. The Canucks, from what I have heard, made approx. 3 mil per home game. Whereas the Leafs, give their last playoff appearance, are on the high end of the spectrum.
Isn't MLSE rich enough to take a 6mil loss every year? Its a genuine question.
I have never been of the mind Lui should go to TBay, thought Shniedes was SY target though,
Oh, I absolutely agree. If SY had any interest in one of Vancouver's goalies, it would have been Schneider, who certainly fits his plan.
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having said that I am curious to know Salary Cap not being an issue (as I think a huge part of the deal was a non starter (Vinny was never waving his NMC)).
Vinny wouldn't have been part of any trade to start with, only reporters speculating he would have to be if a deal for Luongo was to be made with us. SY has said he's not trading VL.
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If you guys were that close to making the playoffs, with from what we can agree was terrible goaltending, what makes you think with a good goalie top 10 in the NHL that you wouldn't have been contenders?
I don't think I ever said that - I know I didn't mean to! A good top 10 goalie would likely have gotten us into the playoffs. With our injuries, which had as much to do with our dismal season as our goaltending, we probably still wouldn't have been a "contender" for the Cup, tho. Just my opinion.
The thing is, SY has never had any intention of mortgaging the future to acquire a top 10 goalie. He's said he won't make any moves to improve the "now" that could in any way have a negative impact on the future. From the get-go he's said his plans for goaltending were to acquire a younger goalie to grow with Stamkos and Hedman. It's his plan, he's willing to sacrifice now to build what he terms "a perennial contender." The fans have bought in, as long as he also abides by his stated intention to keep us as "competitive as possible" while the plan unfolds.
Its been far too long since the Leafs have been in the playoffs that's for sure. But I'm curious....what does that have to do with what Brian Burke thinks of Reimer?
I've lived through Burke... When Burke was here, I was something like you... I was convinced that Burke knew what he was doing acquiring Cloutier... I was convinced that Burke knew what he was doing acquiring Weekes... I was convinced that Burke new what he was doing acquiring Potvin... and the list goes on... Could have got another goalie... but the cost was too high! It didn't make sense! It was against Burke's plan! The price was absurd!
I was happy to learn that Burke almost got Kiprisoff... But, if you hear about the reason why Burke missed out on Kiprisoff, it was rather silly, IMO...
Burke's got this pre-conceived notion about how much goaltenders should cost... He'll convince he's right (those who want him to be right)... He'll hurt the team, and miss playoff games because of it, IMO... I don't think that Burke is a good judge of goaltenders... He was even wrong about Giguere in Toronto the 2nd time around... He just doesn't have that gift to evaluate goaltenders, IMO...
What does missing the playoffs for far too long (what has it been... 6 or 7 years?) have to do with what Brian Burke thinks of Reimer? IMHO, the Canucks should have been cup contenders (and much better playoff team) years ago, if Burke just didn't screw around with the goalies... I think, that if Burke sticks with the Reimer plan, it'll more likely harm, than help, the Leafs chances for playoffs...
Here, Burke has a chance to get an excellent goaltender... and I think he's screwing around again... History repeating itself... I think in a few years, Toronto might have a playoff team - if going the path of young talent mixed with quality veterans? If Riemer turns out to be a #1, Toronto might win a playoff round or two or three? I don't see how, in a few years, even if Riemer turns out perfectly, he puts Toronto in a better position to win the cup... than acquiring Luongo today... If anything, Luongo probably gives the opportunity for more kicks of the can... I wouldn't bet on Riemer turning out, given Burke's goalie evaluation track record... I get it, Riemer is the "real deal"... So was Weekes... So was Auld... Getting an excellent #1 goalie isn't easy... The young ones, you never know which will pan out... I think Schneider was the 3rd or 4th goalie drafted in the first round of 2004? If Burke had even a decent enough batting average with evaluating goalies, sure, put faith in it... But he's pretty terrible in this regard, IMHO...
As I said in an earlier post, I'd rather see Toronto a playoff competitive team... I'd rather Toronto be a rival, than a Boston... It would add to my entertainment... I know that I would probably watch Hockey Night in Canada more, if Luongo was in net for Toronto, and if Toronto was a "rival" type team... My opinion is that Luongo would "flip a switch" with some of your veteran players, and Toronto would be much better, much sooner... But it doesn't really matter to me, I'm not invested in Toronto... If you think that you shouldn't get Luongo because the price is too high, that's great too... My opinion is that Toronto isn't getting Luongo... I think it's too bad, for Toronto... But, such is life
As long as you're happy with the Leafs, you being a Leafs fan, and are getting good entertainment, all is great...
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Isn't MLSE rich enough to take a 6mil loss every year? Its a genuine question.
Of course they can afford to lose that money per year. It is bad business practice however. Companies like Bell/Rogers do not become what they are by operating via poor business practices.
Of course they can afford to lose that money per year. It is bad business practice however. Companies like Bell/Rogers do not become what they are by operating via poor business practices.
Roger's own the Blue Jays....do they make money? I dont think they do.
Of course they can afford to lose that money per year. It is bad business practice however.Companies like Bell/Rogers do not become what they are by operating via poor business practices.
