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06-22-2012, 01:55 PM
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It took 10 million a year for him to leave Toronto
Sundin actually signed the previous deal he had in Toronto when he eventually signed with Vancouver.

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Holy ****, another Luo thread. This is reaching legendary status. I can say I was here for this

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Oh, I absolutely agree. If SY had any interest in one of Vancouver's goalies, it would have been Schneider, who certainly fits his plan.



Vinny wouldn't have been part of any trade to start with, only reporters speculating he would have to be if a deal for Luongo was to be made with us. SY has said he's not trading VL.



I don't think I ever said that - I know I didn't mean to! A good top 10 goalie would likely have gotten us into the playoffs. With our injuries, which had as much to do with our dismal season as our goaltending, we probably still wouldn't have been a "contender" for the Cup, tho. Just my opinion.

The thing is, SY has never had any intention of mortgaging the future to acquire a top 10 goalie. He's said he won't make any moves to improve the "now" that could in any way have a negative impact on the future. From the get-go he's said his plans for goaltending were to acquire a younger goalie to grow with Stamkos and Hedman. It's his plan, he's willing to sacrifice now to build what he terms "a perennial contender." The fans have bought in, as long as he also abides by his stated intention to keep us as "competitive as possible" while the plan unfolds.
Thanks for the honest reply, like I said I was just curious.

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I've lived through Burke... When Burke was here, I was something like you... I was convinced that Burke knew what he was doing acquiring Cloutier... I was convinced that Burke knew what he was doing acquiring Weekes... I was convinced that Burke new what he was doing acquiring Potvin... and the list goes on... Could have got another goalie... but the cost was too high! It didn't make sense! It was against Burke's plan! The price was absurd!

I was happy to learn that Burke almost got Kiprisoff... But, if you hear about the reason why Burke missed out on Kiprisoff, it was rather silly, IMO...

Burke's got this pre-conceived notion about how much goaltenders should cost... He'll convince he's right (those who want him to be right)... He'll hurt the team, and miss playoff games because of it, IMO... I don't think that Burke is a good judge of goaltenders... He was even wrong about Giguere in Toronto the 2nd time around... He just doesn't have that gift to evaluate goaltenders, IMO...

What does missing the playoffs for far too long (what has it been... 6 or 7 years?) have to do with what Brian Burke thinks of Reimer? IMHO, the Canucks should have been cup contenders (and much better playoff team) years ago, if Burke just didn't screw around with the goalies... I think, that if Burke sticks with the Reimer plan, it'll more likely harm, than help, the Leafs chances for playoffs...

Here, Burke has a chance to get an excellent goaltender... and I think he's screwing around again... History repeating itself... I think in a few years, Toronto might have a playoff team - if going the path of young talent mixed with quality veterans? If Riemer turns out to be a #1, Toronto might win a playoff round or two or three? I don't see how, in a few years, even if Riemer turns out perfectly, he puts Toronto in a better position to win the cup... than acquiring Luongo today... If anything, Luongo probably gives the opportunity for more kicks of the can... I wouldn't bet on Riemer turning out, given Burke's goalie evaluation track record... I get it, Riemer is the "real deal"... So was Weekes... So was Auld... Getting an excellent #1 goalie isn't easy... The young ones, you never know which will pan out... I think Schneider was the 3rd or 4th goalie drafted in the first round of 2004? If Burke had even a decent enough batting average with evaluating goalies, sure, put faith in it... But he's pretty terrible in this regard, IMHO...

As I said in an earlier post, I'd rather see Toronto a playoff competitive team... I'd rather Toronto be a rival, than a Boston... It would add to my entertainment... I know that I would probably watch Hockey Night in Canada more, if Luongo was in net for Toronto, and if Toronto was a "rival" type team... My opinion is that Luongo would "flip a switch" with some of your veteran players, and Toronto would be much better, much sooner... But it doesn't really matter to me, I'm not invested in Toronto... If you think that you shouldn't get Luongo because the price is too high, that's great too... My opinion is that Toronto isn't getting Luongo... I think it's too bad, for Toronto... But, such is life

As long as you're happy with the Leafs, you being a Leafs fan, and are getting good entertainment, all is great...
Us Leafs fans haven't had a whole lot to be happy about lately, that's for sure.

If Burke does bring in Luongo I will be happy that we finally have solid goaltending, but I will always be wary of that contract and the price given up for him.

Burke's track record with goalies in Vancouver was horrendous, yes, and I'm really hoping it doesn't turn into a similar situation here but at the same time you have to hope Burke knows what he's doing. There's really no other choice as a fan.

The man says he believes in Reimer but Reimer needs veteran support. We'll have to find out what he means I guess.

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06-22-2012, 02:01 PM
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Here's a couple questions...

If Luongo was to become a UFA on July 1st, he would be the Jewel of FA market along side Praise and Suter for their respective positions... correct?

Don't you think a team out there would thrown $47 mil at him on a retirement contract?
I would say - easily.
Wait until you see the money Suter or Praise get... and i guarantee it won't be $5.3 mil cap hit.


My point... i don't think the remaining contract is the albatross some people make it out to be.

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I really hope Luongo gets traded today/tomorrow. We've had enough of these threads, and way too many proposals.
I am not sure I want him in Toronto but I do want him to be traded here for the sole purpose of settling all of the arguments that have taken place between TO and Van fans. If he goes somewhere else all that will accomplish is to start more arguments along the lines of "yeah we got three mid round draft picks for him from team X but the price from Toronto would have been different...all we would have accepted from you is Gardiner, the 5th, Kessel, Lupul, Schenn, a clone of Gretzky in his prime, and a clone of Howe in his prime."

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Here's a couple questions...

If Luongo was to become a UFA on July 1st, he would be the Jewel of FA market along side Praise and Suter for their respective positions... correct?

Don't you think a team out there would thrown $47 mil at him on a retirement contract?I would say - easily.
Wait until you see the money Suter or Praise get... and i guarantee it won't be $5.3 mil cap hit.


My point... i don't think the remaining contract is the albatross some people make it out to be.
I believe they would. But the difference is it would be only cash not assets as well.

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I really am expecting him to be a Panther again by the end of the day.

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Us Leafs fans haven't had a whole lot to be happy about lately, that's for sure.

If Burke does bring in Luongo I will be happy that we finally have solid goaltending, but I will always be wary of that contract and the price given up for him.

Burke's track record with goalies in Vancouver was horrendous, yes, and I'm really hoping it doesn't turn into a similar situation here but at the same time you have to hope Burke knows what he's doing. There's really no other choice as a fan.

The man says he believes in Reimer but Reimer needs veteran support. We'll have to find out what he means I guess.
How has Burke's track record with goalies in Toronto been so far? I'm not all that knowledgable about the Toronto situation, but has he made good decisions regarding your goaltenders, since he's been there? If he's learned since his Vancouver days, than maybe things are looking brighter - with regards to Burke's ability to evaluate goaltending talent...

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Holy ****, another Luo thread. This is reaching legendary status. I can say I was here for this
No doubt.
At this point and time, just putting a post in one of the threads is like signing your name on something historic.

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06-22-2012, 02:07 PM
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I bet the deal will get done eventually with Toronto.
To reply to someone about why it's relevant that Lou's family lives in Florida is that he would most likely waive to go there.
Unfortunately it's my bet that nothing will happen with Lou today.
Which tsn guys are real news now? Love how it changes depending on whose side it supports. Everyone please take all reports with a grain of salt because the guys at Tsn want to increase views so their motive is to play on the hope that we all have to get a deal done
Kind of an aside, I hate how they always try to make controversy over who will be selected 1st overall. Yakupov is the clear number one.

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Here's a couple questions...

If Luongo was to become a UFA on July 1st, he would be the Jewel of FA market along side Praise and Suter for their respective positions... correct?

Don't you think a team out there would thrown $47 mil at him on a retirement contract?
I would say - easily.
Wait until you see the money Suter or Praise get... and i guarantee it won't be $5.3 mil cap hit.


My point... i don't think the remaining contract is the albatross some people make it out to be.
The issue isnt the contract so much as it is coupled with giving up a kings ransom to vancouver that most of their fans want.

Luongo on waivers? I think most teams file a claim. Having to give up a top10 draft pick, and a bluechip prospect? eeeehhhh probobly pass.

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No doubt.
At this point and time, just putting a post in one of the threads is like signing your name on something historic.
Exactly

"Kids, I remember the days when Bobby Luo was rumored to be traded. There were dozens - no, hundreds of threads made about him, and I was in each and every one! At the end of the day, he stayed in Vancouver and won a Stanley Cup, but that's a story for a different day..."

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I bet the deal will get done eventually with Toronto.
To reply to someone about why it's relevant that Lou's family lives in Florida is that he would most likely waive to go there.
Unfortunately it's my bet that nothing will happen with Lou today.
Which tsn guys are real news now? Love how it changes depending on whose side it supports. Everyone please take all reports with a grain of salt because the guys at Tsn want to increase views so their motive is to play on the hope that we all have to get a deal done
Kind of an aside, I hate how they always try to make controversy over who will be selected 1st overall. Yakupov is the clear number one.
LOL...ya, at 1 point they had Yak falling to 3!!

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Here's a couple questions...

If Luongo was to become a UFA on July 1st, he would be the Jewel of FA market along side Praise and Suter for their respective positions... correct?

Don't you think a team out there would thrown $47 mil at him on a retirement contract?
I would say - easily.
Wait until you see the money Suter or Praise get... and i guarantee it won't be $5.3 mil cap hit.


My point... i don't think the remaining contract is the albatross some people make it out to be.

Sure, but a team wouldnt be giving up resources to get him.

You hand out that kind of contract when you are competing with every other team in the league to get him signed and the price tag does force many teams to drop out of the race.

You dont trade significant pieces of your teams future away and take on a contract like that. Especially if you are farther away from contending than just a goaltender.

Several teams are out of the running based simply on the dollar value. Others are out because of the length of the contract and where they think there prospects will be in a few years. Others are out because they are already committed to a goaltender. It leaves very few teams with both the cash and the ability to handle dumping him in the minors if that's what it takes plus the need.

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No doubt.
At this point and time, just putting a post in one of the threads is like signing your name on something historic.
You think this is legendary, imagine how many threads are coming IF Luongo goes to TO. They will never end, after every TO win Leafs fans will hammer Van fans, and vice-versa after every loss!!

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Not to be mean, but the last one you had was Mats Sundin...
I have a prediction.

If Lou gets traded to Toronto, we will have another 13,000 posts.

And we'll have to add a different movie franchise.

Maybe the Die Hard series?

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LOL...ya, at 1 point they had Yak falling to 3!!
you remember Taylor vs Tyler
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The issue isnt the contract so much as it is coupled with giving up a kings ransom to vancouver that most of their fans want.

Luongo on waivers? I think most teams file a claim. Having to give up a top10 draft pick, and a bluechip prospect? eeeehhhh probobly pass.
You may have a different meaning of kings ransom then me
Anything more than LACK and a pick is NOT a kings ransom.

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I just want this saga to end today...

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I just want this saga to end today...
So....Komi and a 3rd then?

Disclaimer:JUST KIDDING!!!!!

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I really am expecting him to be a Panther again by the end of the day.
I am as well. Hopefully it's a deal that works for both teams (and fanbases ).

Getting Luongo to mentor Markstrom over the next 4 years would be a very Tallon-esque move, and consistent with what he did last offseason - bring in vets for 4 to 5 years to mentor the Panthers' prospects. Very astute.

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I hope this doesn't end before we can get to: Thread never dies or even better "The komisarek is not enough", luo another day, or Casino Roberto....my there are some great potential names. with the bolded being my favorite

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I just need to be part of this thread, will tell my kids someday. Hopefully will also be able to rely the story of what a steal for the leafs it was when it happened

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Please let the Leafs get him. If we lose out on him i'll be seriously disappointed. Florida is only a 2 hour plane ride from here. It's perfect he can get space from his wife but visit frequently. I mean that's every guys dream.

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