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06-22-2012, 01:09 PM
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Holy ****.
Multiple reports that Yakupov might fall to the Leafs, or further.
I wonder of GMGM will make a move.

Today has been really interesting, tonight will be crazy.

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06-22-2012, 01:10 PM
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Zemgus Girgensons...hell I would draft him based on that name alone!

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06-22-2012, 01:12 PM
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Just for curiosity's sake, I looked back at drafts since the lockout for players taken at 5 & 6 vs. notable players taken in the 11-16 range:

2011
5: Ryan Strome
6: Mika Zibanejad
11-16: Sven Bartschi, Ryan Murphy, Joel Armia

2010
5: Nino Niederreiter
6: Brett Connolly
11-16: Cam Fowler, Brendan Gormley, Vladimir Tarasenko

2009
5: Brayden Schenn
6: Oliver Ekman-Larsson
11-16: Dmitri Kulikov, Nick Leddy, Zack Kassian, Ryan Ellis

2008
5: Luke Schenn
6: Nikita FIlatov
11-16: Tyler Myers, Erik Karlsson

2007
5: Karl Alzner
6: Sam Gagner
11-16: Brandon Sutter, Ryan McDonagh, Kevin Shattenkirk, Lars Eller

2006
5: Phil Kessel
6: Derick Brassard
11-16: Jonathan Bernier, Bryan Little, Michael Grabner

2005
5: Carey Price
6: Gilbert Brule
11-16: Anze Kopitar, Marc Staal

2004
5: Blake Wheeler
6: Al Montoya
11-16: Drew Stafford, Alexander Radulov

In 2006, 2007, and 2009, the best player out of those groupings was drafted at 5 or 6. Every other year, I'd rather take one of the guys drafted in the 11-16 range.

Still want to trade 11+16 for 5 or 6?

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06-22-2012, 01:13 PM
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I'm gonna laugh when Edmonton drafts Yakupov 1st overall.

These rumors happen every year and the consensus #1 guy always goes 1st.

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06-22-2012, 01:17 PM
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I'd be surprised if Yak fell past 3.

Wiz, all drafts are different. Again, it depends on who is there at 5 or 6. If Yak is there, I'd be fine trading 11 and 16.

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06-22-2012, 01:19 PM
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06-22-2012, 01:20 PM
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I'd be surprised if Yak fell past 3.

Wiz, all drafts are different. Again, it depends on who is there at 5 or 6. If Yak is there, I'd be fine trading 11 and 16.
Yeah, all drafts are different, yet it seems like #5 and #6 aren't much better (if at all) than #11 over the last 8 drafts.

That will likely be especially true this draft, where there are probably 30 very different rankings of 2-20.

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06-22-2012, 01:22 PM
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If Bobrovsky goes for that maybe Neuvirth could get a late 1st. Then we could move into the top 5 and still have 16 to play with.

At 5 and 6 you have better players available, all it takes is not having dumb as **** GMs passing on Kopitars, Couturiers, Fowlers and Grigorienkos because they think they've outsmarted everybody.

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I'm gonna laugh when Edmonton drafts Yakupov 1st overall.

These rumors happen every year and the consensus #1 guy always goes 1st.
This.

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06-22-2012, 01:57 PM
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Redline Report has us drafting Grigorenko (11) and Faksa (16).

In a word, YES.

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06-22-2012, 01:59 PM
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Redline Report has us drafting Grigorenko (11) and Faksa (16).

In a word, YES.
Schwing. Can't see Faksa falling that far though.

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06-22-2012, 02:29 PM
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I have a feeling we come out with Yak or Grigs... Call me crazy... But apparently Columbus is trying to trade down if Edmonton picks Murray. 11th+ would be a pretty solid deal as they'd still get a top prospect.

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Just to be clear. If Yakupov slides it will be because of a concussion history?

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06-22-2012, 02:34 PM
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Redline Report has us drafting Grigorenko (11) and Faksa (16).

In a word, YES.
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Redline Report has us drafting Grigorenko (11) and Faksa (16).

In a word, YES.
There is no way i can see toronto passing grigorenko at 5. But if the caps get him at 11, its the steal of the draft

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06-22-2012, 02:46 PM
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There is no way i can see toronto passing grigorenko at 5. But if the caps get him at 11, its the steal of the draft
You really can't see Burke passing on Grigorenko?

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06-22-2012, 02:54 PM
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If I had to pick the perfect draft from my perspective Grigs falling to 11 and getting Lindholm at 16.

Still like Faksa/Girgensons. Maata's skating just seems slow and this is a skating league these days. Admittedly don't have a feel for his gap control which can mitigate this.

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06-22-2012, 03:07 PM
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Wouldn't mind moving up to the 8th or 9th spot from 11 to try and grab Grigorenko. 11th + mid-round pick should hopefully be enough there. Worst case scenario would be giving up pick 54.

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If Girgensons is there and the Caps pass on him, I suspect this will end up as just another failure of GMGM on draft day.
God forbid that GMGM pass on taking a 3rd or 4th line center at 11th overall.

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06-22-2012, 03:09 PM
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If I had to pick the perfect draft from my perspective Grigs falling to 11 and getting Lindholm at 16.
Same, although I would be almost equally happy with Faksa at 11.

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You really can't see Burke passing on Grigorenko?
And I can also see Burke making some absolutely ridiculous trade for Nash, or pulling some other stunt.

I'll bet anyone here Yakupov will go 1st one way or another.

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Wouldn't mind moving up to the 8th or 9th spot from 11 to try and grab Grigorenko. 11th + mid-round pick should hopefully be enough there. Worst case scenario would be giving up pick 54.


God forbid that GMGM pass on taking a 3rd or 4th line center at 11th overall.
I wonder if Tampa or WIN would even take Grink if he falls to them. I feel like both are ready to get some high-end D prospects again, given where they've been going recently (Namestnikov/Connolly and Scheifle/Burmistrov/Kane).

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Maata's skating just seems slow and this is a skating league these days. Admittedly don't have a feel for his gap control which can mitigate this.
He seems to use a pretty long stick. That and his wingspan allow him to gap up pretty well. Some scouts seem to believe he may be NHL-ready but I'm not sure he has the overall strength to hold his own in the corners.

Grigorenko & Gaunce seems possible. A yin/yang center combo. Right around 16 is where it seems to really open up and it'll be interesting to see if it even opens up before that.

Agree on trading up to 7-9 with the 54 if Grigorenko tumbles and he's their guy. A recently Russian-friendly drafting team in Tampa Bay could pass on a D for him and still get a fairly decent D at 19. (Or just move that pick...) I'm not sure Grigorenko is a prospect a team is going to fall for but at some point the reward outweighs the risk. His raw ability and offensive awareness are pretty special but there's quite a bit for him to learn to be a successful two-way 2C.


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I wonder if Tampa or WIN would even take Grink if he falls to them. I feel like both are ready to get some high-end D prospects again, given where they've been going recently (Namestnikov/Connolly and Scheifle/Burmistrov/Kane).
I feel both will take the guy they like, regardless of position. We saw that last year with the Scheifele pick from Winnipeg. If they like Grigorenko, they probably go with him.

That being said, because of their decent system depth at forward, both might be willing to move down from that pick knowing that one of the better defensemen is probably still going to be available at 11 (depending on how the first handful of picks go).

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My ideal first round scenario would be to trade one pick for a player that helps the Caps next season (Ribeiro, Perron/Oshie, Wilson, Ott, etc.) and take a center with the other.

My order of preference for centers would be:
Faksa
Gaunce
Grigorenko
Laughton
Girgensons
Hertl
Samuelsson
Matteau

I wouldn't be disappointed at all if they traded down, picked one of the guys on that list, and picked up an extra pick.

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My sources have told me, Oilers, Jackets, Habs and Isles are passing on him. Burke has brought an extra pair of pants.
Haha on the Yakupov slipping thread saw this...

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I really, really hope they don't package both to move up.

Honestly, 2 50-60 pt calibre players(or 1 and a 2nd pairing D...) are worth more than a 70-80 pt player/top pairing Dman.
Quantity is RARELY better than Quality.

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