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06-23-2012, 04:37 AM
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This was proposed at the draft party I was at and the consensus was Jeff Skinner would have to go the other way for it to work for NYR. They're set in net and they have a strong defensive core even w/o Staal. They have a need for offensive talent, which Skinner provides.

Something along the lines of:

To NYR: J. Skinner
To CAR: M. Staal, 2nd round pick

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06-23-2012, 04:49 AM
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This was proposed at the draft party I was at and the consensus was Jeff Skinner would have to go the other way for it to work for NYR. They're set in net and they have a strong defensive core even w/o Staal. They have a need for offensive talent, which Skinner provides.

Something along the lines of:

To NYR: J. Skinner
To CAR: M. Staal, 2nd round pick
Try Skinner and McBain.

You want an elite defenseman? You're giving up a decent amount.

Jeff Skinner is not an elite player. Maybe in Carolina, not in the NHL.

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06-23-2012, 04:52 AM
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Try Skinner and McBain.

You want an elite defenseman? You're giving up a decent amount.

Jeff Skinner is not an elite player. Maybe in Carolina, not in the NHL.
LOL, M. Staal is not an elite defenseman. Career high - 29 points.

Marc Staal isn't Shea Weber.

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06-23-2012, 05:00 AM
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skinner is about on par with eliteness as staal is. both not elite but have potential to be. skinner has accomplished more and has a higher ceiling especially with better linemates in ny.

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06-23-2012, 05:14 AM
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LOL, M. Staal is not an elite defenseman. Career high - 29 points.

Marc Staal isn't Shea Weber.
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skinner is about on par with eliteness as staal is. both not elite but have potential to be. skinner has accomplished more and has a higher ceiling especially with better linemates in ny.
Neither of you should ever comment about Marc Staal ever again. It's as clear as day that you have NO IDEA of who or what you're attempting to reference.

Marc Staal is an elite shutdown defender. His defense is top-10, and I'd argue top-5 in the league.

Let's just put it this way. Girardi finished 6th in Norris Voting. Staal is better than Girardi.

Game over, thanks for playing.

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06-23-2012, 05:17 AM
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Try Skinner and McBain.

You want an elite defenseman? You're giving up a decent amount.

Jeff Skinner is not an elite player. Maybe in Carolina, not in the NHL.
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06-23-2012, 05:24 AM
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Neither of you should ever comment about Marc Staal ever again. It's as clear as day that you have NO IDEA of who or what you're attempting to reference.

Marc Staal is an elite shutdown defender. His defense is top-10, and I'd argue top-5 in the league.

Let's just put it this way. Girardi finished 6th in Norris Voting. Staal is better than Girardi.

Game over, thanks for playing.
That's funny, because last year, Marc Staal (in a career year) finished 16th in Norris voting with a single 5th place vote (1 point) and he didn't receive any votes in 2009-2010.

Doesn't seem very elite to me. I guess the PHWA doesn't know anything about Marc Staal, either.

Notice to Duncan Keith, Nicklas Lidstrom, and Erik Karlsson: Please turn in your Norris Trophy awards immediately. They were actually supposed to be awarded to Marc Staal.


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06-23-2012, 05:28 AM
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Neither of you should ever comment about Marc Staal ever again. It's as clear as day that you have NO IDEA of who or what you're attempting to reference.

Marc Staal is an elite shutdown defender. His defense is top-10, and I'd argue top-5 in the league.

Let's just put it this way. Girardi finished 6th in Norris Voting. Staal is better than Girardi.


Game over, thanks for playing.
Where did Staal finish in Norris voting?

Staal is not an elite defender no matter which way you look at it. He's good, not great. I don't even know if I'd trade Skinner straight up for Staal, I think Skinner has a lot more potential. The only reason the 'Canes would make that trade is to have this cutesy thing of Team Staal going on.

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06-23-2012, 05:32 AM
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All I have to say is go **** yourself for this thread

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06-23-2012, 06:02 AM
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As a ranger fan who's also a Marc Staal guy I have to admit a lot of you are overvaluing Staal. McD has passed him he's not an "Elite" defenseman but for sure a top 4 dman on any team. Skinner is younger and will put up points for years to come but after thinking about it I still don't make that trade, he doesn't fit the rangers mold and in a few years he'll command a BIG salary, he has headache written all over him.

But Staal for skinner with a swap of 1st rounders seems like fair value to me ( but I'd rather stay as is)

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06-23-2012, 06:05 AM
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Why is everybody bringing up point totals in relation to defensemen?

You're not signing Marc Staal to score goals. You're signing him to stop them. Anything else you get is just gravy on the potatoes.

Marc Staal is elite shutdown. No question. He has shown average offensive upside. Nothing special, but strangely clutch.

Realistically, the Staal/Skinner suggestion seems silly when you consider that Staal is a huge part of the Ranger core, and Skinner, while unarguably having huge potential, isn't a proven elite scorer. He had an outstanding, Calder winning rookie season, followed by a sophomore year that would likely have seen him scratch 60 points (which is no slouch of a number for a man not old enough to drink!). As awesome as this is, it's a far cry from elite (I'm starting to hate that word). On top of that, his play style doesn't fit the NY particularly well.

Ask the Rangers which they prefer to have: A top pairing caliber shutdown defenseman with limited offense on a fantastic contract, or a top line winger who has a scoring touch, extremely limited defensive capabilities, and after this upcoming season will (rightfully) demand one HELL of a raise.

I think they go with the defenseman every time. At least, I hope they do.

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06-23-2012, 06:16 AM
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LOL, M. Staal is not an elite defenseman. Career high - 29 points.

Marc Staal isn't Shea Weber.
Today I learned that the best way to evaluate a shutdown defenseman is by his point totals.

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LOL, M. Staal is not an elite defenseman. Career high - 29 points.

Marc Staal isn't Shea Weber.
One of these things has nothing to do with the other.

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06-23-2012, 06:46 AM
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Where did Staal finish in Norris voting?

Staal is not an elite defender no matter which way you look at it. He's good, not great. I don't even know if I'd trade Skinner straight up for Staal, I think Skinner has a lot more potential. The only reason the 'Canes would make that trade is to have this cutesy thing of Team Staal going on.
Bolded point - Being out for half the year tends to reduce your attractiveness for awards.

Staal is absolutely a top tier d-man. Just because his game isn't sexy doesn't change that.

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29 points while being one of the best stay at home, shut-down defencemen in the league.

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06-23-2012, 06:48 AM
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In before Value of: Jordan Staal and Eric Staal to NYR

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Staal was the Rangers best defender this post season.

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I can't believe people actually think M. Staal is worth Skinner lol

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Rangers team concept is built around defense and Marc Staal fits very prominently in that. Personally I think all of McDonagh, Girardi, Staal are close to the same level with McDonagh being the youngest having a bit more upside.

Forget this talk about elite or top 15-20 d-men in the league. Those things can be argued forever. And it's not worth comparing the point totals and Norris trophies of Chara, Karlssson, Weber, Keith, Doughty either. To me it comes down to the Rangers have a great young defense and have absolutely no reason to break it up. Staal at least when he's healthy is one of the best shutdown d-men in the league because like the rest of the Staal's he's a great skater and has size and strength and is very hockey smart. He's physical without going out of control--can bang around with the Malkin's and Ovechkin's--and has a quick stick and a long reach--excellent at breakouts. He's just not that great of an offensive player.

Really there's maybe only Skinner of all the Hurricanes players that would make sense for us in a one on one deal and it's pointless to accept a package of lesser parts--especially if they're older and expensive lesser parts.

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I could see the Rangers entertaining trading Marc Staal to Carolina:

1. They already have a couple of shutdown studs in Giraldi and McDonagh; and the team proved for much of last season while Staal was out that they can win without him.

2. They need a PP QB and more depth on D as their top 4 were overworked in the playoffs. If Carolina really wants Staal, i could see them willing to offer Justin Faulk + Ryan Murphy which I think will appeal to the Rangers.

3. Rangers are a serious suitor for Rick Nash and trading Staal for a couple of promising D will save a lot of cap space to make the Nash deal work.

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If we trade Staal, we have a glaring hole in our top 4, our PK and team toughness.

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Well, more than you payed for Jordan let's just get that out there.

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If we trade Staal, we have a glaring hole in our top 4, our PK and team toughness.
The Staal family of North Carolina doesn't care.

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Rangers fans are the best for a good laugh. this thread reminds me when they were saying that Dubinsky will be moved only for a superstar center a couple of years ago...

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Why are people ragging on Ranger fans? Staal is worth more than Skinner IMO
Both great players and a 1 for 1 wouldnt be the end of the world but I don't think Sather would do that at all.

As a Leafs fan I can only dream of having a Mark Staal instead of the wide tongue version named Luke Schenn

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Why are people ragging on Ranger fans? Staal is worth more than Skinner IMO
Both great players and a 1 for 1 wouldnt be the end of the world but I don't think Sather would do that at all.

As a Leafs fan I can only dream of having a Mark Staal instead of the wide tongue version named Luke Schenn
But he didn't get Norris votes over a teammate he's clearly better than. That makes him terrible

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