Just to add, if you really do play a wide open run and gun system, then I really hope Philly management tells Luke to shed weight and improve his skating, that's one of the reasons most of us were excited to see Schenn under Carlyle this year, so he doesn't have to deal with pond hockey style of Wilson.
It will be tough to play against him though, leafs forwards will realize that very soon.
Carle and Meszaros were both defensive scapegoats on a bad Tampa team and have excelled here to a degree.
i agree with this part... i think schenn will settle in nicely. in toronto he was probably looked at to be more than a strong defensive d-man, since he was drafted so high. here in philly he'll just be another piece in a pretty deep defense group. just play a smart, solid game and throw some hits, and we'll be happy.
I guess I'm one of the few who just does'nt think JVR is that good. Hell to me Matt Read is a more important player than JVR, at least he can play a 2-way game and the way JVR is always hurt I'll bet Read has more points than him every year. I've watched a number of Maple Leaf games on TV and I have to say that Schenn could be a very good D-man for us. I just pray that this means we don't get Nash now because we don't need that cap hit.
Idk about this one boys. Kind of skeptical about Schenns ability to reach his potential or even be effective in lavis system. Well see, but we could be hunting down homer with pitch forks in a year or 2. Jvrs ceiling is much hIgher IMO. He has a better shot at becoming a top line winger than schenn has at becoming a top pairing defenseman... I hope I'm wrong.
Sorry then, just telling you the facts, Homer pretty much almost gave it away in an interview last week. They been working on re-signing him since the trade deadline. Going to be around 4-5 years, between $4-$5 million per.
Below is transcript from Flyers GM Paul Holmgren interview Saturday after James van Riemsdyk was traded to the Toronto Maple Leafs for defenseman Luke Schenn, older brother of Flyers center Brayden Schenn:
I mean if you wanna look at it like that JvR couldn't crack our top 9 last year, he was either injured or ineffective. Giroux, jagr, hartnell, Schenn, briere, simmonds, read, Voracek, and couts all played better than him.
Both players need a change of scenery, both players have great potential. 2-3 years ago Schenn had a great year was the Leafs best D-man and looked like a stud at 20.
16 points in first 20 games is hardly ineffective....he was hurt, plane and simple
The thing is the leafs were actually pretty deep at the blue line, just their overall defense and defensive system was horrible under Ron Wilson
I'm not sure you'd find many people to agree that the Leafs have been pretty deep on the blueline any time in recent history. Even their supposed best D-man, Phaneuf, is consistently voted the most overrated player in the league by his peers. Watching him play in Cgy for years, I can definitely understand where that view comes from.
Looks like we definitely have a different opinion on Schenn. But I believe that the team that gets the best player in a trade wins. A guy who can't secure a permanent spot on a team with a weak roster doesn't seem to be that guy.
I'm OK with the move. At a certain point you just have to stop thinking wishfully and look at what a player has done for you. JvR has been disappointing, and while that could be largely due to injuries, it doesn't change the fact that he has. Maybe this move is going to bite us in the ass, but any move can do so, so whatever. But at this point, with Schenn's lower cap hit and him not really performing worse than JvR in his NHL career, I approve of this move.
It's good seeing the know-it-alls blasting the trade, though. Give it ****ing time, for once. "God" knows we've given JvR more than enough.
Other than getting hurt this year, explain to me how he has been disappointing?? Because he didn't sco 50 at 21?
JVR definitely has the bigger upside. The things about Schenn is at worst you get a guy that hits, blocks shots, and can be a pain to play against for 20+ mins/game. I like the comparison to Brendan Witt. However, if he improves his skating some he could be solid #1.