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05-17-2012, 06:00 PM
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respect for iggy

lets for a moment take out "fan of iggy" or whatever you want to call it and look at just fact and trends.

For the last 11 years Iggy has played at least 70 games with the last 7 years of his career playing 82 games 6 time, and this is towards his so called tail end of his career cause he is old, as someone said before, aside from a big injury trend suggest he can and still be able to perform yet another 82 game season, he will be 35 for next season, he isn't that different compared to 2 or 3 years ago, it will show in 2 to 3 years from now, but between now and then, there just isn't going to be any difference in his performance.

now looking at the 11 years, he has pot 30 or more goals as someone suggested, some years more than others, his goals come from his one timers, its about knowing where to be and when to be there, age isn't going to hinder that part of his game, to suddenly suggest or believe that iggy will drop off from his average of 38 goals a year for the last 11 years is just not educated prediction, I would believe it when I see a sample of numbers suggesting it, but an educated guess at this point for the next 2 seasons has iggy potting at least 30 goals.

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05-17-2012, 08:06 PM
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lets for a moment take out "fan of iggy" or whatever you want to call it and look at just fact and trends.

For the last 11 years Iggy has played at least 70 games with the last 7 years of his career playing 82 games 6 time, and this is towards his so called tail end of his career cause he is old, as someone said before, aside from a big injury trend suggest he can and still be able to perform yet another 82 game season, he will be 35 for next season, he isn't that different compared to 2 or 3 years ago, it will show in 2 to 3 years from now, but between now and then, there just isn't going to be any difference in his performance.

now looking at the 11 years, he has pot 30 or more goals as someone suggested, some years more than others, his goals come from his one timers, its about knowing where to be and when to be there, age isn't going to hinder that part of his game, to suddenly suggest or believe that iggy will drop off from his average of 38 goals a year for the last 11 years is just not educated prediction, I would believe it when I see a sample of numbers suggesting it, but an educated guess at this point for the next 2 seasons has iggy potting at least 30 goals.
I don't even have to show the numbers and run the math to know Iggy is still an elite player, regardless of what others believe. I'm a numbers guy for sure, so if someone is going to make claims without factual support, they better be prepared to be scrutinized. In the situation where Iggy drops to 20 goals and 40 pts, then I'll run the numbers to defend Iggy's ability or value. But as of now, the facts are clear.... the guy is still carrying this team. And that's not including his pretty good semi-tangible stats, such as hitting, face-offs and fights

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05-17-2012, 11:05 PM
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I think Iggy can still hit 30 for 3 more years, but he can't do it on his own anymore. If he plays with talent, he will still be considered a premier forward in the NHL. And thats not a knock on him either, most top players in the NHL need help to put up big numbers. There's currently only a handful of players in the NHL that can do it by themselves, and its always been that way.

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05-18-2012, 08:17 AM
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Thing is though, Iginla won't be traded in a situation where a team doesn't overpay, making your requirement of "fair" moot.
Completely agree. Calgary won't part with iggy in the first place, if they do, it'll be for a gross overpayment.

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05-29-2012, 01:07 PM
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Completely agree. Calgary won't part with iggy in the first place, if they do, it'll be for a gross overpayment.
Exactly. What CGY fans think would be fair, other teams won't agree to it. This is a topic that's always brought up.

- everyone also talks about how he's on the decline....yet still hammers 30+ (without a supporting cast)

- everyone also talks about how flames would want overpayment and ONLY overpayment....makes sense to me, I'm of the same opinion. You don't give up your franchise player for anything less, period!

The weak return for the B's in the Ray Bourque trade was brought up earlier. I agree he didn't net a great return at all. It also didn't help Boston much when it happened. That should be a nice little example for Feaster to remember if he were to ever trade Iggy, don't settle for scraps if there aren't fantastic offers in front of you.

Bottom line, if the return isn't a monster return....it doesn't happen!

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I am hearing the NYR are willing to give up a lot - including Feaster's demand for guys NHL ready and young - mostly i'm hearing Dubinsky would be the main component with next years 1st rounder, another pick and Christian Thomas. Take it for what it's worth but the talks are heating up.

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I am hearing the NYR are willing to give up a lot - including Feaster's demand for guys NHL ready and young - mostly i'm hearing Dubinsky would be the main component with next years 1st rounder, another pick and Christian Thomas. Take it for what it's worth but the talks are heating up.
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06-23-2012, 05:36 PM
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I am hearing the NYR are willing to give up a lot - including Feaster's demand for guys NHL ready and young - mostly i'm hearing Dubinsky would be the main component with next years 1st rounder, another pick and Christian Thomas. Take it for what it's worth but the talks are heating up.
So,

Dubinsky, 1st, Thomas + a pick?

....its ok. Id want another prospect coming back instead of a pick.

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06-23-2012, 06:34 PM
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So,

Dubinsky, 1st, Thomas + a pick?

....its ok. Id want another prospect coming back instead of a pick.
I'd want Kreider. If anything, to cheese off the fans who say he's untouchable.

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I'd want Kreider. If anything, to cheese off the fans who say he's untouchable.
I think if we get that offer we take it and run. But my belief is that is some fan, stirring up nonsense with no source.

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Just keep in my mind that the trade have to make sense for both side. Fire away !


Start with your top prospect and your 1st.


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06-23-2012, 07:21 PM
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Start with your top prospect and your 1st.
Good god, I'd trade Iginla for Hamilton and a 1st in a heartbeat. I'd be sad for a while afterward, but that sweet, sweet first pairing defenceman would soak up all of the tears fairly readily.

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06-23-2012, 07:27 PM
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Good god, I'd trade Iginla for Hamilton and a 1st in a heartbeat. I'd be sad for a while afterward, but that sweet, sweet first pairing defenceman would soak up all of the tears fairly readily.
...until we trade him for Stajan, Hagman, White, and Mayars... right?

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...until we trade him for Stajan, Hagman, White, and Mayars... right?
Damn it, Skobel. That memory had almost faded away until you mentioned it again.

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Bruins fan, here...

Let's speculate that the Flames are ready to trade Iggy, what would be a fair trade proposal. Just keep in my mind that the trade have to make sense for both side. Fire away !
Canucks fan here, and while i realize Feaster likes this job too much to trade Iggy and have a nieuwendyk situation, I think the canucks could use him.

Vancouver gives up:
Cory Schneider

Calgary gives up:
Jarome Iginla
1st 2013
2nd 2013

The thinking here is having a goaltender to help after Kiprusoff will help assauge the fanbase, and that Feaster will realize the likelyhood of getting anyone near this good with the picks he is expecting (bottom half minimum) to the point they can give Iginla.

The thinking for Vancouver is you keep Luongo to split time with Lack for a year or two then deal him to a team that needs capspace. The picks will help replenish their prospects, and they could package these and their first for a top five next year. Iginla brings the skill and toughness Van City covets, and would be a great power forward with the Sedins.

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No.

I would explain it to you, but I couldn't understand it for you.

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That's really, really funny. After that chuckle I felt a hint of pity.

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Canucks fan here, and while i realize Feaster likes this job too much to trade Iggy and have a nieuwendyk situation, I think the canucks could use him.

Vancouver gives up:
Cory Schneider

Calgary gives up:
Jarome Iginla
1st 2013
2nd 2013

The thinking here is having a goaltender to help after Kiprusoff will help assauge the fanbase, and that Feaster will realize the likelyhood of getting anyone near this good with the picks he is expecting (bottom half minimum) to the point they can give Iginla.

The thinking for Vancouver is you keep Luongo to split time with Lack for a year or two then deal him to a team that needs capspace. The picks will help replenish their prospects, and they could package these and their first for a top five next year. Iginla brings the skill and toughness Van City covets, and would be a great power forward with the Sedins.
You cannot possibly be serious.

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Canucks fan here, and while i realize Feaster likes this job too much to trade Iggy and have a nieuwendyk situation, I think the canucks could use him.

Vancouver gives up:
Cory Schneider

Calgary gives up:
Jarome Iginla
1st 2013
2nd 2013

The thinking here is having a goaltender to help after Kiprusoff will help assauge the fanbase, and that Feaster will realize the likelyhood of getting anyone near this good with the picks he is expecting (bottom half minimum) to the point they can give Iginla.

The thinking for Vancouver is you keep Luongo to split time with Lack for a year or two then deal him to a team that needs capspace. The picks will help replenish their prospects, and they could package these and their first for a top five next year. Iginla brings the skill and toughness Van City covets, and would be a great power forward with the Sedins.
Such a big pass it isn't even funny.

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Canucks fan here, and while i realize Feaster likes this job too much to trade Iggy and have a nieuwendyk situation, I think the canucks could use him.

Vancouver gives up:
Cory Schneider

Calgary gives up:
Jarome Iginla
1st 2013
2nd 2013

The thinking here is having a goaltender to help after Kiprusoff will help assauge the fanbase, and that Feaster will realize the likelyhood of getting anyone near this good with the picks he is expecting (bottom half minimum) to the point they can give Iginla.

The thinking for Vancouver is you keep Luongo to split time with Lack for a year or two then deal him to a team that needs capspace. The picks will help replenish their prospects, and they could package these and their first for a top five next year. Iginla brings the skill and toughness Van City covets, and would be a great power forward with the Sedins.
You should post that in the trade rumour forum and see how people react. You would probably be the talk of the forum.

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Canucks fan here, and while i realize Feaster likes this job too much to trade Iggy and have a nieuwendyk situation, I think the canucks could use him.

Vancouver gives up:
Cory Schneider

Calgary gives up:
Jarome Iginla
1st 2013
2nd 2013

The thinking here is having a goaltender to help after Kiprusoff will help assauge the fanbase, and that Feaster will realize the likelyhood of getting anyone near this good with the picks he is expecting (bottom half minimum) to the point they can give Iginla.

The thinking for Vancouver is you keep Luongo to split time with Lack for a year or two then deal him to a team that needs capspace. The picks will help replenish their prospects, and they could package these and their first for a top five next year. Iginla brings the skill and toughness Van City covets, and would be a great power forward with the Sedins.

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Canucks fan here, and while i realize Feaster likes this job too much to trade Iggy and have a nieuwendyk situation, I think the canucks could use him.

Vancouver gives up:
Cory Schneider

Calgary gives up:
Jarome Iginla
1st 2013
2nd 2013

The thinking here is having a goaltender to help after Kiprusoff will help assauge the fanbase, and that Feaster will realize the likelyhood of getting anyone near this good with the picks he is expecting (bottom half minimum) to the point they can give Iginla.

The thinking for Vancouver is you keep Luongo to split time with Lack for a year or two then deal him to a team that needs capspace. The picks will help replenish their prospects, and they could package these and their first for a top five next year. Iginla brings the skill and toughness Van City covets, and would be a great power forward with the Sedins.

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Canucks fan here, and while i realize Feaster likes this job too much to trade Iggy and have a nieuwendyk situation, I think the canucks could use him.

Vancouver gives up:
Cory Schneider

Calgary gives up:
Jarome Iginla
1st 2013
2nd 2013

The thinking here is having a goaltender to help after Kiprusoff will help assauge the fanbase, and that Feaster will realize the likelyhood of getting anyone near this good with the picks he is expecting (bottom half minimum) to the point they can give Iginla.

The thinking for Vancouver is you keep Luongo to split time with Lack for a year or two then deal him to a team that needs capspace. The picks will help replenish their prospects, and they could package these and their first for a top five next year. Iginla brings the skill and toughness Van City covets, and would be a great power forward with the Sedins.


How about Daniel Sedin and a 1st for Kipper?

We really dont care if you need Kipper or not...we just want your two best assets.

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06-24-2012, 08:14 PM
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If something isn't done via free agency and trades soon I can see Iggy being gone by the end of the year. The message with this draft was we only plan on being competitive once Iggy and Kipper retire.

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If something isn't done via free agency and trades soon I can see Iggy being gone by the end of the year. The message with this draft was we only plan on being competitive once Iggy and Kipper retire.
Yeah, I'm really uncertain with the strategy at this point of time. This draft is one that we won't see any type of merit for 4 yrs+.

I think this was the first step in a Calgary rebuild. I'm really, really, really hoping Calgary is either
A) In a playoff spot
B) So far out, that there's no limbo mode
@ the deadline.

then we can either be in the picture, or selling off.

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