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All Bobby Ryan Talk - Bobb(y)ing for Ryan Part III

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06-24-2012, 12:48 AM
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Bobby Ryan is a great two-way player, too.
No, no he is not. Neither is Loui Eriksson, but he's much better defensively than Ryan, and he puts up just as many points or more.

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There can only be so many wingers (or any position) that are elite, or else there ceases to be a difference between elite and whatever comes after it: great...good...above average...whatever you want to call it.

How many elite wingers are there?

Ovechkin, Kovalchuk, Hossa, D. Sedin, St. Louis, Kane, Perry, Parise, Eriksson, Nash, Iginla. Arguably Gaborik and Kessel.

You have to rank those guys above Ryan. Maybe not in terms of age or contract, but in terms of today.

So, again, how many guys get to be called elite? In my opinion, that term is reserved for a select few. Ryan would be one of the guys who would come right after those guys. He's a very, very good player.
All of those are questionable all things considered, Ryan puts up all his numbers at even strength and 2nd PP time

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Couturier will not be a Duck unless Perry is coming back. Since that has a negative % of happening Ducks fans need to stop asking.

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All of those are questionable all things considered, Ryan puts up all his numbers at even strength and 2nd PP time
No GM in the league would take Ryan over Eriksson.

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I can't think of too many proposals that could beat Krejci, Spooner and a 1st.

Im sorry but there is no way New York trades Kreider

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Eriksson is one of the few Selke caliber wingers.

Bobby Ryan plays ten minutes a game and any Ducks fan that says otherwise knows they're lying.
No one is saying Ryan is a Selke caliber player.

But I guess I'm a liar. 10 minutes a game.. please. That's a horrible shot at Ryan.

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Eriksson is one of the few Selke caliber wingers.

Bobby Ryan plays ten minutes a game and any Ducks fan that says otherwise knows they're lying.
18:21 per game

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No GM in the league would take Ryan over Eriksson.
are you going to poll them all and find out for us?

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18:21 per game
And Selke-caliber Eriksson played 19:45 per game. Such a huge difference.

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18:21 per game
I wasn't talking about his ice time.

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No one is saying Ryan is a Selke caliber player.

But I guess I'm a liar. 10 minutes a game.. please. That's a horrible shot at Ryan.
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are you going to poll them all and find out for us?
I don't need to. I have enough common sense to know that a 70 point multi-dimensional winger who plays above average defense, is as consistent as they come, is not hindered by being undersized, and is a consummate professional is going to be valued higher than relatively one-dimensional winger who scores 65-70 points, does not play defense, is not consistent, and fails to use the god given size and strength he has as often as he should.

Ryan is so big, so strong, and so talented that despite some of those drawbacks, he's still a top 15-20 winger in the league. Eriksson is without a doubt a top 10 winger, and his value is incredibly high.

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Couturier will not be a Duck unless Perry is coming back. Since that has a negative % of happening Ducks fans need to stop asking.
Ironically, I think there's no chance he goes to Philly actually. Flyers won't trade their young centres, Ducks won't accept Voracek +.

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I don't need to. I have enough common sense to know that a 70 point multi-dimensional winger who plays above average defense, is as consistent as they come, is not hindered by being undersized, and is a consummate professional is going to be valued higher than relatively one-dimensional winger who scores 65-70 points, does not play defense, is not consistent, and fails to use the god given size and strength he has as often as he should.

Ryan is so big, so strong, and so talented that despite some of those drawbacks, he's still a top 15-20 winger in the league. Eriksson is without a doubt a top 10 winger, and his value is incredibly high.
Then go make a trade proposal for Eriksson and stop acting like a vulture by offering your scraps for our "non elite" winger.

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Zibanejad and Foligno for starters?

Zibby must hold about the same value as Couturier (potential 2C)
Foligno is a 2nd liner.... Or an elite 3rd liner.

I'd say Stone, Ceci, Silfverberg and Noesen are a no-go, but maybe Puempel, Wiercioch, Pageau or a pick could be added. Depends on what his true value is.

Or what about a 3-way trade?
Who would trade a 2C that Anaheim would like, for Voracek? Does any team have a surplus of top 6 centers?

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Then go make a trade proposal for Eriksson and stop acting like a vulture by offering your scraps for our "non elite" winger.
Maybe you should think about reading through the thread first before bringing your attitude into it. You might find that you don't know what you're talking about.

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There can only be so many wingers (or any position) that are elite, or else there ceases to be a difference between elite and whatever comes after it: great...good...above average...whatever you want to call it.

How many elite wingers are there?

Ovechkin, Kovalchuk, Hossa, D. Sedin, St. Louis, Kane, Perry, Parise, Eriksson, Nash, Iginla. Arguably Gaborik and Kessel.

You have to rank those guys above Ryan. Maybe not in terms of age or contract, but in terms of today.

So, again, how many guys get to be called elite? In my opinion, that term is reserved for a select few. Ryan would be one of the guys who would come right after those guys. He's a very, very good player.
Its arguable that Gaborik is an elite winger, but Nash is?

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Then go make a trade proposal for Eriksson and stop acting like a vulture by offering your scraps for our "non elite" winger.
Sting is one of the more reasonable NYR posters. He never offered scraps. All he said was that Ryan does not belong in the same sentence as elite wingers like Kovalchuk.



And for the record, I think Gaborik's a ten-minute a game player, basically, too. The difference is he hovers in scoring areas and waits for someone to pass to him, while Ryan does nothing for half the game, then stick handles through half the opposition's defense to score.

That doesn't mean he's not very valuable.


Also, I took the wording from a pretty prominent Ducks poster. I just thought it was a fair way to describe him: http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...7&postcount=12

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And for the record, I think Gaborik's a ten-minute a game player, basically, too. The difference is he hovers in scoring areas and waits for someone to pass to him, while Ryan does nothing for half the game, then stick handles through half the opposition's defense to score.
I'm sorry, where do all the hits and takeaways come from?

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Its arguable that Gaborik is an elite winger, but Nash is?
Again, not what I said. I said you have to rank those players above Ryan. I don't think either Nash or Gaborik or elite. In fact, if you've seen anything I've posted on the Rangers board for the last 3 months, you'd know that I am 100 % against acquiring Nash, and am 100% for acquiring Ryan.

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You need a second line center. We need a second line center. We aren't good trading partners.
Sharp can play center. We just need another top-six weapon.

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I'm sorry, where do all the hits and takeaways come from?
Easy. He loses the puck several times during these stickhandling plays. Hits the opposing player. Regains possession. That's clearly how it happens, because he doesn't play defense.

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Maybe you should think about reading through the thread first before bringing your attitude into it. You might find that you don't know what you're talking about.
You're offering people we have no need for... and therefore are scraps to us.

Maybe you should think about something other than what you want and more about what's realistic as to what the ducks will accept.

Or you can have your buddy come back and tell us more about the 10 minutes a night Ryan plays.

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Also, I took the wording from a pretty prominent Ducks poster. I just thought it was a fair way to describe him: http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...7&postcount=12
Because one poster saying something is absolute.

There's a lot of stuff that is said on these boards. Maybe you should watch Ryan more instead of taking something one poster says and posting it as your own opinion.

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I am 100% for acquiring Ryan.
Why would you want such an inconsistent, one dimensional player that plays ten minutes a game and tries to stickhandle the entire opposing team?

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You're offering people we have no need for... and therefore are scraps to us.

Maybe you should think about something other than what you want and more about what's realistic as to what the ducks will accept.

Or you can have your buddy come back and tell us more about the 10 minutes a night Ryan plays.
Why don't you show me where I offered anything? Again, try reading through the thread, then maybe you wouldn't be wasting your time and everyone else's.

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