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06-23-2012, 10:16 PM
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Yup, thats why they finally got rid of schenn. They know they are getting shultz to replace him.


They got rid of Schenn because they got a good top 6 player in return.

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McDonagh signed on July 5 or 6,2010. He came to prospects camp the previous week. McDonagh spoke to the Rangers brass when he was here. He loved what he experienced. McD went back to Wisconsin and told his agent to begin talks with the Rangers. He was signed 2 days later. Its was the 4th of July weekend so it took an extra day. Ryan told his teammates in person he was leaving Wisconsin. Most of the players hang around campus going to summer school. There was no guarantee of a roster spot. Come to camp and earn a job. The roster spots are open. Its up to you but the opportunity is there. Same thing with Schultz. I would send Torts,McDonagh and Stepan to meet with Schultz. He is probably attending summer school at Wisconsin. Show him the depth chart on D. You come to camp(assuming there is camp in Sept)and work your ass off,you will get the job on D. McD had a good camp but the Rangers had a waivers issue with Sauer and there wasn't room for McD. No issues with waivers this time because they only have 3 D under contract with DZ being a group II. Mac wasn't hurt playing 3 months in the AHL.
really like your logic on this one, actually sounds like a good plan ... If we could reel in Schultz, this seems like a good way.

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Yup, thats why they finally got rid of schenn. They know they are getting shultz to replace him.
They already did replace him.

They drafted Reilly.

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They got rid of Schenn because they got a good top 6 player in return.
Top liner for TOR.

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Toronto yeah but i wouldn't blame he for going to Edmonton, Edmonton is an up and coming team, within the next 5 years they will be pretty good.
Yeah but their d is weak. An offensive defenseman would love to have Marc Staal as a potential d partner. Not to mention Hank will clean up most of his mistakes.

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Yeah but their d is weak. An offensive defenseman would love to have Marc Staal as a potential d partner. Not to mention Hank will clean up most of his mistakes.
They have some nice defensive prospects though coming down the pipes like Teubert and Klefbom.

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They have some nice defensive prospects though coming down the pipes like Teubert and Klefbom.
Martin Gernat as well.

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There is no reasoning on the main boards about Schultz coming to the Rangers. Vancouver, Toronto, and Edmonton are in Canada and that's where he wants to play, per sources not named Schultz or his agent.

I'd send everything we have at the kid on Wednesday. Get him here and fast. Number one priority on July 1st has to be Schultz.

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Send also Tom Coughlin, Eli Manning and Justin Tuck and let them stay out in the car with Torts and the Lombardi trophies, just in case Justin tries to escape!
What the hell does that have to do with the Rangers.

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There is no reasoning on the main boards about Schultz coming to the Rangers. Vancouver, Toronto, and Edmonton are in Canada and that's where he wants to play, per sources not named Schultz or his agent.

I'd send everything we have at the kid on Wednesday. Get him here and fast. Number one priority on July 1st has to be Schultz.
Yeah, starting to look like Schultz won't come here

Send everything on Wednesday, we have nothing to lose.

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that may be the worst comparison possible to make your point... because in using just Gretzky's name, it brings to mind all of his accomplishments and standing during his already past, great NHL career.
perhaps you didn't understand what i was saying/arguing:

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You don't pay that kind of money for someone who projects to anything. You pay that kind of money for a proven commodity.
basically the above is saying that you don't pay any player the max ELC.
so i'll restate in case you couldn't comprehend my initial post:

let's say that wayne gretzky is in the exact same situation as schultz-- drafted by anaheim and found a loophole to become a free agent. let's say that wayne is up for grabs. does his 'projected' skill-set not earn him the max ELC (which is there for a reason)? when every other team in the league is going to be offering the MAX, then you have to match that to be at even odds. are you going to offer a projected to be #1 player $2 million flat and expect them to sign when vancouver is offering $3.8 million? of course not. the guy earned the pay in college. all drafts are a risk. if he turns out to be a #1-2 defenseman then the risk pays out. if he doesn't then boo hoo we lost cap space for a guy who had a very low risk of failure.

personal thought on schultz specifically: the max ELC may not be earned by the kid, but we don't have the option when every other team in the league will offer him the max without a question. it's a competitive market and we can't let anything-- especially a couple million (bonuses included) deter him from signing here over another team. i want this kid more than anybody on the market. nobody is a guaranteed superstar their first season. for all we know gretzky could have had a concussion and sucked the rest of his career-- but the risk of overpaying for a couple years imo is an acceptable one for the potential gain that you get by offering him the max.


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06-24-2012, 04:56 AM
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Toronto has been trying to get JVR since last winter. The Schenn for JVR deal has been in the works for a while. JVR was out with a concussion and Burke held off on making the trade.

This deal was first rumored on January 13

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=611605

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Van Riemsdyk, 22, is the fourth Flyer to be diagnosed with a concussion this season, joining Chris Pronger, Claude Giroux and Brayden Schenn.

This is also the latest in a series of injuries this season for Van Riemsdyk, including a muscular tear in his abdominal region, a chronic hip injury that could require surgery in the offseason and a brief knee problem.

Van Riemsdyk's name swirled in trade rumors this week, but it's safe to say that he's not going anywhere for a while now.

He's put together a disappointing season, with 11 goals and 11 assists in 37 games, after signing a 6-year, $25.5 million deal last summer.
Read more: http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/f...#ixzz1yhe14lmM

Burke wanted to make the trade 3 months before Schultz was not going to sign with Anaheim.

Both of these teams gave both players big contracts and then traded the players for each other. They both had terrible seasons in 11-12. Both teams couldn't wait to get rid of their players.

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The Rangers, who will be all in on impending Wisconsin free agent defenseman Justin Schultz, talked to the Coyotes about 25-year-old Keith Yandle, who has four years at $5.25 million remaining on his contract and would fill the top-four vacancy on the right side, but the price is too high for Satherís liking.
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/range...#ixzz1yhf2V3DX

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Burke drafted defenceman Justin Schultz in Anaheim, tried to trade for him in Toronto, and will certainly make an offer on him when he becomes available after midnight Sunday. Schultz, the young free agent who has yet to play an NHL game, wonít be dealing with offers until Wednesday but the Leafs will be one of about 30 bidders in the process. Getting him is like getting an additional first-round pick who can play right away. The Rangers, Canucks, Oilers, Blackhawks and Red Wings appear to be the favourites at this point ...
http://www.torontosun.com/2012/06/23...ight-have-been

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So is this right..

Teams are officially allowed to talk to him tomorrow but he has to wait till july 1 to sign?

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Ummm how on earth can u label favorites when he named 5 teams?

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Ummm how on earth can u label favorites when he named 5 teams?
Well considering there are 30 teams he could go to, I like our odds being on a list of only 5.

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Yeah but their d is weak. An offensive defenseman would love to have Marc Staal as a potential d partner. Not to mention Hank will clean up most of his mistakes.
this. the rangers are the perfect situation for a young defenseman. plenty of support from the forwards and your defense partner. not to mention, the reigning vezina winner at the end of the line.

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If Schultz signs with Edmonton or Toronto, the kid obviously doesn't care about winning a Stanley Cup ever, so oh well. If he wants to win something, he'll have a hell of a shot with the Rangers.

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this. the rangers are the perfect situation for a young defenseman. plenty of support from the forwards and your defense partner. not to mention, the reigning vezina winner at the end of the line.
I dunno they just drafted a kid in the first round and already have young NHL Dmen with Erixon and McIlrath knocking at the door.

Would like the kid to sign here but if I am him I likely go to a team I feel will play me for sure. If he has a bad camp the Rangers have other young options.

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perhaps you didn't understand what i was saying/arguing:



basically the above is saying that you don't pay any player the max ELC.
so i'll restate in case you couldn't comprehend my initial post:

let's say that wayne gretzky is in the exact same situation as schultz-- drafted by anaheim and found a loophole to become a free agent. let's say that wayne is up for grabs. does his 'projected' skill-set not earn him the max ELC (which is there for a reason)? when every other team in the league is going to be offering the MAX, then you have to match that to be at even odds. are you going to offer a projected to be #1 player $2 million flat and expect them to sign when vancouver is offering $3.8 million? of course not. the guy earned the pay in college. all drafts are a risk. if he turns out to be a #1-2 defenseman then the risk pays out. if he doesn't then boo hoo we lost cap space for a guy who had a very low risk of failure.

personal thought on schultz specifically: the max ELC may not be earned by the kid, but we don't have the option when every other team in the league will offer him the max without a question. it's a competitive market and we can't let anything-- especially a couple million (bonuses included) deter him from signing here over another team. i want this kid more than anybody on the market. nobody is a guaranteed superstar their first season. for all we know gretzky could have had a concussion and sucked the rest of his career-- but the risk of overpaying for a couple years imo is an acceptable one for the potential gain that you get by offering him the max.
i think you even pay the max for alex daigle.
i agree with your reasoning but i think the other gentleman is just objecting to the baggage your use of gretzky brings. either way, i agree with what - i think - you're saying. you spend money on the projectable assets when they're available for just cash. worst case, you're overpaying for a couple of seasons and - actually - you can even leave the guy in the minors if he proves to suck.

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If Schultz signs with Edmonton or Toronto, the kid obviously doesn't care about winning a Stanley Cup ever, so oh well. If he wants to win something, he'll have a hell of a shot with the Rangers.
Disagree. Edm could be a powerhouse in a couple years. Adding shultz only helps that.

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Disagree. Edm could be a powerhouse in a couple years. Adding shultz only helps that.
An offensive powerhouse? Sure. Who do they have on D who isn't a turnover machine? And what goalie are they going to be a powerhouse with?


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The Rangers don't have a player like Schultz in their system. They can have a million D but they have don't someone like him. The Rangers aren't interested in wasting their time and his time. McIlrath needs at least a year in the AHL. He doesn't have the skating and puck skills of Schultz. The Rangers need a righty which is the side Schultz plays. Erixon plays the left side. Skjei will be in college next season. There is a spot for Schultz on the Rangers. Besides Girardi,the Rangers don't have another healthy RD under contract.

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