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06-21-2012, 09:14 AM
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We're more about the teams than players and we also fully know that the best players want to play in the best leagues. So we're not crying about it.
Well I'd say we are bitter for it and why shouldn't we be? But whaddya gonna do.

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06-21-2012, 11:35 AM
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Well I'd say we are bitter for it and why shouldn't we be? But whaddya gonna do.
Yeah, it's not like we can't stop players from wanting more money and playing in better leagues. The more guys we have in the NHL, the better.

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06-21-2012, 12:00 PM
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Except you guys can. Join the KHL and your players will stay put.

All this talk about rivalries is a bunch of nonsense. All it would take is Artyukhin to board or fight one of the players on your local KHL team and trust me the rivalry will be on.

Or have Vityaz visit. Instant rivalry. Vityaz's rivalry with Omsk is one of the most heated if not the most heated in hockey and how old is that? 3 years?

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06-21-2012, 01:49 PM
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Except you guys can. Join the KHL and your players will stay put.

All this talk about rivalries is a bunch of nonsense. All it would take is Artyukhin to board or fight one of the players on your local KHL team and trust me the rivalry will be on.

Or have Vityaz visit. Instant rivalry. Vityaz's rivalry with Omsk is one of the most heated if not the most heated in hockey and how old is that? 3 years?
Our players develop better when they play in the NHL. Our KHL players are useless against the North American teams in major tournaments. And do you really think it'd be easy to just join the KHL?

Finns don't even bother with Artyukhin, let the dumbass drop the gloves and take the 10 minute.

Oh, whatever happened to KHL being a skilled players league? Why are you promoting it with North American elements?


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06-21-2012, 04:49 PM
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Our players develop better when they play in the NHL. Our KHL players are useless against the North American teams in major tournaments. And do you really think it'd be easy to just join the KHL?

Finns don't even bother with Artyukhin, let the dumbass drop the gloves and take the 10 minute.

Oh, whatever happened to KHL being a skilled players league? Why are you promoting it with North American elements?
You KHL players aren't a product of KHL development. They just happen to be in the KHL. You, like many others here want everything to happen over night. No patience and no foresight.

I can't say how easy or not easy it is to join the KHL but if Slovaks, Czechs, Latvians, Ukranians and Belorussians can do it why can't Finns? What is it they have that Finns lack other then initiative and boldness?

The KHL is a skilled player's league. I was just pointing out that all that needs to happen is a normal hockey play in order to build bitter rivalry.

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06-21-2012, 08:18 PM
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Our players develop better when they play in the NHL. Our KHL players are useless against the North American teams in major tournaments. And do you really think it'd be easy to just join the KHL?
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06-22-2012, 01:37 AM
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I can't say how easy or not easy it is to join the KHL but if Slovaks, Czechs, Latvians, Ukranians and Belorussians can do it why can't Finns? What is it they have that Finns lack other then initiative and boldness?
Why cannot Finns? I dont know what they think but I have my idea about this topic. Clubs from Finland (and federation) dont have problem with beeing feeder league of NHL and KHL, they dont want to have world top clubs. Russian (slovak etc) clubs dont want to be feeder league of NHL, therefore they join KHL... all story.

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06-22-2012, 05:36 AM
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Yeah, thanks for answers Jussi. Loyality for club is definitely not bad. And one or two KHL clubs in a country can't destroy it. I know, that your youth programme is way better than CZE. This is the only way for us, also. We are trying to raise our youth programme and KHL,MHL can help us...

But I'm still praying for group of people from Swe,Finn, which will want KHL also. There is no chance to create enough competitive league without Scandinavian clubs IMO. At least, i don't like it. Now, i can't understand Medvedev's idea at all.


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06-23-2012, 09:47 AM
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You KHL players aren't a product of KHL development. They just happen to be in the KHL. You, like many others here want everything to happen over night. No patience and no foresight. I can't say how easy or not easy it is to join the KHL but if Slovaks, Czechs, Latvians, Ukranians and Belorussians can do it why can't Finns? What is it they have that Finns lack other then initiative and boldness?

The KHL is a skilled player's league. I was just pointing out that all that needs to happen is a normal hockey play in order to build bitter rivalry.
IMO it`s the KHL who want everything to happen over a night. Expand from 23 to 64 teams in two years seems ridicilos in my eyes.
How can it not be diluted? The NHL claimed they are diluted after expanding from 24 to 30 teams.
Where will all that money come from. Will Gazprom pay for Italian KHL clubs?

The Swedes and The Fins have the worlds best developingsystems. They don`t need KHL.
Pleace let KHL stay in former Sovijet countrys, and leave other domestic leagues be.


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06-23-2012, 11:20 AM
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IMO it`s the KHL who want everything to happen over a night. Expand from 23 to 64 teams in two years seems ridicilos in my eyes.
How can it not be diluted? The NHL claimed they are diluted after expanding from 24 to 30 teams.
Where will all that money come from. Will Gazprom pay for Italian KHL clubs?

The Swedes and The Fins have the worlds best developingsystems. They don`t need KHL.
Pleace let KHL stay in former Sovijet countrys, and leave other domestic leagues be.
I agree, medvedev wants finns, swedes and others to join the KHL system, but i can't see it happening aswell, surely they they don't have any problems with their leagues. What i would like is though, and Lichtner pointed it out, is having a decent Champions League with top teams from Europe.

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Sweden and Finland does not have problem with developing players, honestly they are best in Europe nowadays. Both countries have problem with elite senior leagues, wants make money but can not within domestic league. Champions League (without KHL) is not solution, Swedes and Finns must to cooperate with KHL (that means NO Champions League)

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06-23-2012, 01:53 PM
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I can't see Finnish or Swedish teams joining the KHL for at least 10 years or even longer? It is an interesting thought but at it stilla thought and nothing more

KHL has to prove it will work for a few more years still, keep on increasing it's credibility, having some kind of fair system that doesn't allow the top teams have so much money that forces the smaller teams to feed of scraps that wouldn't interest anyone

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06-23-2012, 03:41 PM
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I can't see Finnish or Swedish teams joining the KHL for at least 10 years or even longer? It is an interesting thought but at it stilla thought and nothing more

KHL has to prove it will work for a few more years still, keep on increasing it's credibility, having some kind of fair system that doesn't allow the top teams have so much money that forces the smaller teams to feed of scraps that wouldn't interest anyone
Thats my main consern too. Where would all the 37 or what new teams get theyr money from?
It`s not gonna start growing money on trees just because a city from Italy or Denmark are joining the KHL,would it?
I cant see how a team from Norway could raise 15 millions euro. Several teams are strugling to put up one million.

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06-23-2012, 06:13 PM
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Thats my main consern too. Where would all the 37 or what new teams get theyr money from?
Exactly and I don't want some random millionaire/billionaire to buy my club and think hey this is pretty cool and then they get bored after awhile and who knows what would happen

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06-23-2012, 07:27 PM
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You KHL players aren't a product of KHL development. They just happen to be in the KHL. You, like many others here want everything to happen over night. No patience and no foresight.

I can't say how easy or not easy it is to join the KHL but if Slovaks, Czechs, Latvians, Ukranians and Belorussians can do it why can't Finns? What is it they have that Finns lack other then initiative and boldness?

The KHL is a skilled player's league. I was just pointing out that all that needs to happen is a normal hockey play in order to build bitter rivalry.
In Finland rivalries are born out of closeness, e.g. Rauma-Pori, Jokerit-HIFK, Turku-everybody (because everyone hates them). No one cares about a club in Siberia. During the EHL in the 90s Finns didn't care about the Swedish clubs either, it's only the national teams they care about when it comes to our western neighbor.

What do those clubs have in common? Rich foreign money or huge local backer. Thre's no rich sugar daddy in Finland. Jussi Salonoja got fed up with losing money every year with Espoo Blues and sold the majority of the club to a bunch of local people (probably didn't make much profit), he even went to a meeting in Russia about the KHL, no one was there to meet him. With foreign backing there's the risk vsk92 mentioned.

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06-24-2012, 03:11 AM
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In Finland rivalries are born out of closeness, e.g. Rauma-Pori, Jokerit-HIFK, Turku-everybody (because everyone hates them).
The same situation in Slovakia and fans visited HC LEV matches last season. Why not in Finland? You are not special, we have also rivalries in Slovakia.

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I can't see Finnish or Swedish teams joining the KHL for at least 10 years or even longer? It is an interesting thought but at it stilla thought and nothing more

KHL has to prove it will work for a few more years still, keep on increasing it's credibility, having some kind of fair system that doesn't allow the top teams have so much money that forces the smaller teams to feed of scraps that wouldn't interest anyone
I strongly disagree with this opinion. This system of parity is one of the main things that annoys me about the NHL. And creating the same type of league in Europe would for sure kill my remaining interest in hockey outside of international tournaments. This is not part of the European sports culture. All top football leagues work just fine without something like this and you cant say that fans of the worse teams are not having fun.

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I strongly disagree with this opinion. This system of parity is one of the main things that annoys me about the NHL. And creating the same type of league in Europe would for sure kill my remaining interest in hockey outside of international tournaments. This is not part of the European sports culture. All top football leagues work just fine without something like this and you cant say that fans of the worse teams are not having fun.
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I strongly disagree with this opinion. This system of parity is one of the main things that annoys me about the NHL. And creating the same type of league in Europe would for sure kill my remaining interest in hockey outside of international tournaments. This is not part of the European sports culture. All top football leagues work just fine without something like this and you cant say that fans of the worse teams are not having fun.
well I wouldn't want my team who don't have much money join the KHL and not have the chance to improve that much will all the best players getting signed at levels we can't afford too pay.

its basically same level of team in a new league, we can't win so what the point of joining? May aswell just stay in the SM Liiga we we can compete at most times rather than say hey we're in the KHL but it doesn't matter if we keep on losing

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its basically same level of team in a new league, we can't win so what the point of joining?
better league, higher level of hockey, better players in league, more opportunities to make money for club etc

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better league, higher level of hockey, better players in league, more opportunities to make money for club etc
Yeah other team's have better players, but HIFK would not be able to afford high wages and like I said earlier.

I don't want some random millionaire/billionaire to buy my club and think hey this is pretty cool and then they get bored after awhile and who knows what would happen then.

KHL would have put into place some legal gurantee that owner's can't walk away whenever they fee like it, or it is just too risky

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Yeah other team's have better players, but HIFK would not be able to afford high wages and like I said earlier.

I don't want some random millionaire/billionaire to buy my club and think hey this is pretty cool and then they get bored after awhile and who knows what would happen then.

KHL would have put into place some legal gurantee that owner's can't walk away whenever they fee like it, or it is just too risky
why not? Now it is probably owned by some "random" local investors. They can bankrupt just like everybody. Actually I think being owned by Abramovic is more safe then being owned by some "poor" local people.

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why not? Now it is probably owned by some "random" local investors. They can bankrupt just like everybody. Actually I think being owned by Abramovic is more safe then being owned by some "poor" local people.
I don't want the club to lose heritage & because why would say a 'Russian billionaire' care anything about HIFK, rather than see it as cool project?? as soon as it goes wrong and people would stop attending why would he stick by the club.

The current people in charge care about the club and would do what's best for the club and we are managing fine as it stands we live by our means and nothing more.


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I don't want the club to lose heritage & because why would say a 'Russian billionaire' care anything about HIFK, rather than see it as cool project?? as soon as it goes wrong and people would stop attending why would he stick by the club.

The current people in charge care about the club and would do what's best for the club and we are managing fine as it stands we live by our means and nothing more.
If thats enough for you, then everythings fine of course. But nobody said it would have to be Russian. There are no billionaires in Finland?

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If thats enough for you, then everythings fine of course. But nobody said it would have to be Russian. There are no billionaires in Finland?
There's two I think Antti Herlin & Poju Zabludowicz and if they were interested in buying a hockey club they woud have done so by now so I don't think they would change they're minds

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