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06-23-2012, 09:10 PM
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improves your defence.
Demers can be relied on to play 20mins+ per night against teams top lines this upcoming season?

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06-23-2012, 09:17 PM
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I remember Heatley's 143 goal season with Thornton.
This is hilarious. Well done.

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06-23-2012, 09:29 PM
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All I will say is that if Thornton is feeding Stamkos goals, hes gonna be the run-away winner for the Richard.
He already was. And doesn't need Thornton.

Big no from me on this trade. Lateral move from Lecavalier to Thornton IMO at this point with everything taken into consideration. And I'm sure as hell not giving up just a first for Demers let alone a first and JT Brown.

It's not lopsided value wise but I don't see it from the Lightning side.

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06-23-2012, 09:46 PM
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Lecavalier to Thornton is a lateral move. Yeah, better offensively, much better defensively, better contract... Yeah Lecavalier is just as good as Thornton.

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06-23-2012, 09:58 PM
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Lecavalier to Thornton is a lateral move. Yeah, better offensively, much better defensively, better contract... Yeah Lecavalier is just as good as Thornton.
Now if you finish reading my sentence, maybe you can get the context. It's also my opinion.

And I don't think he's that much better offensively. He just hasn't been injured like Lecavalier.

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06-23-2012, 10:04 PM
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To Sharks

Vincent Lecavalier
J.T. Brown
2013 1st rounder

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Joe Thornton
Jason Demers
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Stamkos for Thorton, Couture, MAV, 1st 2013, 1st 2014?

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06-23-2012, 10:08 PM
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improves your defence.
well if that's the idea here i think it could be accomplished w/o joe or vinny involved.

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06-23-2012, 10:48 PM
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Take out Demers, Brown, and the pick. Switch Vinny with MSL.

I like that one more.

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06-23-2012, 11:09 PM
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Take out Demers, Brown, and the pick. Switch Vinny with MSL.

I like that one more.
Just for ***** and giggles (since the OP proposal is ridiculous anyways), what would San Jose's top 6 look like if the quoted trade happened?

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06-23-2012, 11:12 PM
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Thornton with Stamkos and St. Louis just would make me afraid for Lundqvist if they played the Rangers

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06-23-2012, 11:13 PM
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Just for ***** and giggles (since the OP proposal is ridiculous anyways), what would San Jose's top 6 look like if the quoted trade happened?
Marleau-Couture-St. Louis
Clowe-Pavelski-Havlat

Still pretty good, but no way either team does it.

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06-23-2012, 11:21 PM
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As a Ducks fan I endorse this deal!

As a hockey fan, to these Thornton evaluations.

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06-23-2012, 11:47 PM
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Vinny has 5 more playoff goals in half as many games. Vinny scored only 4 less goals in our cup season the Joe has in all his years with Sharks. Much rather have Vinny.
Yes. I agree. Tampa should keep Vinny.

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06-24-2012, 12:24 AM
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No way SJ does this. Thornton is retiring a Shark and Lecavalier is retiring a Bolt.

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06-24-2012, 12:41 AM
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If anything, Lecavalier needs to come with extras not Thornton...Thornton is easily the better player of the two.

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06-24-2012, 04:43 AM
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At nearly 7.73 per, Vinny's is just not a contract anyone should want, and that's the biggest part of it. But there's more:

Over the past four seasons, Jumbo has 322 points, Vinny has 240, good for a 21.5 point average difference. Not to mention the huge gap in their teams' successes, to which each player has played his part. I'd say they are more than a modest defensive upgrade apart in trade value, and that's before looking at their respective contract situations. Lecavalier has another 8 years and 55-million coming, whereas Thornton only has 2 more for 13-million, and is only a year older. It isn't close.

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06-24-2012, 04:54 AM
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At nearly 7.73 per, Vinny's is just not a contract anyone should want, and that's the biggest part of it. But there's more:

Over the past four seasons, Jumbo has 322 points, Vinny has 240, good for a 21.5 point average difference. Not to mention the huge gap in their teams' successes, to which each player has played his part. I'd say they are more than a modest defensive upgrade apart in trade value, and that's before looking at their respective contract situations. Lecavalier has another 8 years and 55-million coming, whereas Thornton only has 2 more for 13-million, and is only a year older. It isn't close.
That's a slightly deceiving fact. In the last 4 seasons Vinny has missed around 40 games, and Joe about 5? Plus in the playoffs Joe has played almost twice the amount of games and only has 30 points more?

I am not going to argue either or here, but the deciding factor is contract. Your comment about success through leadership means nothing because I didn't see Joe win a Stanley cup either in the last 4 years too. Main point it isn't close because of the unmovable contract.

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That's a slightly deceiving fact. In the last 4 seasons Vinny has missed around 40 games, and Joe about 5? Plus in the playoffs Joe has played almost twice the amount of games and only has 30 points more?

I am not going to argue either or here, but the deciding factor is contract. Your comment about success through leadership means nothing because I didn't see Joe win a Stanley cup either in the last 4 years too. Main point it isn't close because of the unmovable contract.
So then Vinny is missing 10 games a year and Joe is missing, for lack of a better integer, 1. That's a 9 game a season swing, but the point swing is 21.5. It still doesn't add up.
Over those four years, Joe has a .990 ppg, where Vinny has a .833 ppg.

Of course you could rightly argue that Thornton has had better line-mates. But we agree on the contract bit.

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So then Vinny is missing 10 games a year and Joe is missing, for lack of a better integer, 1. That's a 9 game a season swing, but the point swing is 21.5. It still doesn't add up.
Over those four years, Joe has a .990 ppg, where Vinny has a .833 ppg.

Of course you could rightly argue that Thornton has had better line-mates. But we agree on the contract bit.
Main argument would be San Jose hasn't gone into full rebuild mode in that 4 years. Ours started with drafting Stamkos 4 years ago.

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Wouldn't take lecavalier for free on that garbage contract

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Thornton is untouchable in San Jose right now. End thread.

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Sharks get fleeced...
Absolutley, VL doesn't even pretend to try anymore...brutal contract to boot...

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The lookout of 04-05 ruined the lightning, if that never happened we would've probably won multiple cups and Vinnys playoff numbers would destroy Joes. Ever since then the team has been ripped apart and we've rebuilt while SJ has been a contender. The last 4 years Vinny has also been injured a bit, so yes Joe has better. What I'm saying is that Joe is the better regular season player but Vinny is much better in playoffs, if he was on SJ he probably would've led them to a cup. Neither team wants to trade their player, we're happy with Vinny and his contract.

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The lookout of 04-05 ruined the lightning, if that never happened we would've probably won multiple cups and Vinnys playoff numbers would destroy Joes. Ever since then the team has been ripped apart and we've rebuilt while SJ has been a contender. The last 4 years Vinny has also been injured a bit, so yes Joe has better. What I'm saying is that Joe is the better regular season player but Vinny is much better in playoffs, if he was on SJ he probably would've led them to a cup. Neither team wants to trade their player, we're happy with Vinny and his contract.
LOL, are the Sharks games past your bedtime? Have you not seen Thornton in the playoffs...some of you "fans" of hockey are ridiculous.

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06-24-2012, 06:20 PM
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LOL, are the Sharks games past your bedtime? Have you not seen Thornton in the playoffs...some of you "fans" of hockey are ridiculous.
Really? Compare the two and Vinny easily outperform's Joe in the playoffs. If Vinny had been as many times as Joe has, his numbers would make Joes look silly.

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