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06-23-2012, 01:45 PM
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22 players drafted (many in later rounds)
23, you forgot joakim ryan who is still swedish i'd say.

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06-23-2012, 01:50 PM
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23, you forgot joakim ryan who is still swedish i'd say.
Cant play for SWE in Int. Hockey same with Henrik Samuelsson.

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Cant play for SWE in Int. Hockey same with Henrik Samuelsson.
but he's nonetheless a swede.

i assume he can't play because he never played consecutive years in sweden?

the story on samuelsson is different because he played for usa, isn't it?

in general i think it was a very weak draft, not only for sweden. but 22 players drafted out of sweden is still a very good number. especially compared to other nations.

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06-23-2012, 02:25 PM
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Cant play for SWE in Int. Hockey same with Henrik Samuelsson.
But he has played for some junior national teams?

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But he has played for some junior national teams?
Yeah, but he cant play in the World Juniors wich is a official IIHF event. Both Ryan and Samuelsson has been invited to USA's U20 summer camp.

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06-24-2012, 11:52 AM
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06-24-2012, 12:22 PM
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Yeah, but he cant play in the World Juniors wich is a official IIHF event. Both Ryan and Samuelsson has been invited to USA's U20 summer camp.
It's insane really. We are losing 3rd player to USA thanks to IIHF in last 4 years.

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06-24-2012, 01:26 PM
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It's insane really. We are losing 3rd player to USA thanks to IIHF in last 4 years.


Next: William Nylander.

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Next: William Nylander.
Given Nylander is playing 2/3 years in Sweden before his draft, and is very much near the top of his age group in Sweden, surely you'd expect him to be more likely to represent Sweden in the future. Though he's a little way of an IIHF sanctioned event yet.

What is with the current trend of overage Swedish D being drafted? Very few Forwards seem to be taken relative to other positions.

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06-24-2012, 02:03 PM
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Next: William Nylander.
is it confirmed that he will return to Södertälje next season?

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Next: William Nylander.
Nah, don't think so. He's in Sweden, and will most likely play for next 2 years.

But this bs should be fixed somehow. How is it possible, that a 100% swedish guy can't play for his Homeland? Just because he happened to grow up overseas? This rule is done to prevent some countries from assimilating foreign players to play for their National Teams, but IIHF should exclude juniors with dual-citizenship.

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What IIHF rule stops Ryan from playing for Sweden? Samuelsson has played for USA in a IIHF event, but Ryan has not.

Does Ryan and Samulessons Swedish citizenships count as "new nationality"? Or maybe the other way around. The swedish nationality counts as "new citizenship"?

Ryan has represented Team Sweden U17, U18, U19 and U20 for fu**'s sake!


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http://www.iihf.com/home-of-hockey/c...igibility.html

I guess IIHF sees the Samulesson boys and Ryan as Americans that acquired Swedish citizenships. I have no idea how this works but all three should have been Swedish nationals from birth? At least the Samuelsson kids.


Edit: I did some reading. By Swedish law all three have been swedish citizens since birth.

So they have to play two years in Sweden before IIHF recognize them as Swedes? Laughable... especially since none of them has changed citizenship or received a new citizenship.


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06-24-2012, 04:49 PM
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Here's an explanation of what happened with Ryan from a reputable US news source...

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Ryan’s Dream Shot Down
Cornell freshman defenseman Joakim Ryan, a candidate for the Swedish National Junior Team, has been told by the IIHF that he is ineligible to participate in the games, which start Dec. 26th in Calgary and Edmonton, Alberta.

What the IIHF learned was that Ryan has never been rostered on a Swedish team for 24 consecutive months, reportedly a little-known requirement. Ryan did play minor hockey for Malmo, but was only on roster for 22 months.

Ryan, a dual citizen who speaks fluent Swedish, skated for Sweden in the U-17 Ivan Hlinka Tournament as well as in the World Junior A Challenge in Penticton, BC in Nov. 2010 (while with the Dubuque Fighting Saints). Neither of those tournaments, however, are IIHF-sanctioned.

This past April, Ryan, who had been guaranteed a spot, was unable to skate for Sweden in the U-18 World Championship as his team, the Dubuque Fighting Saints, were in the USHL playoffs (which they eventually won). The U-18 World Championship is, of course, an IIHF-sanctioned tournament. Once a player appears in an IIHF-sanctioned tournament with any particular country, he’s locked into that country permanently, i.e. dual citizens can’t jump back and forth. Interesting that it wasn’t an issue then, but is now. The World Junior rosters are probably vetted more closely than the U-18 rosters, but still…

At any rate, Ryan, who skated with Sweden at the Junior Evaluation Camp in Lake Placid, NY in August, can, since he’s a ’93 and has a year of eligibility remaining, either appeal the IIHF’s decision and try to play for Sweden again next winter, or try out for the U.S. National Junior Team.

For now, though, Cornell, which could lose forward Brian Ferlin and goaltender Andy Iles to the U.S. Junior Team, will at least have Ryan on hand for the Florida College Classic Dec. 29-30.

Still, losing an opportunity to play in the WJC so late in the game —especially on a technicality -- is a tough pill to swallow.

“You talk about a kick in the gut… holy cow,” said Ryan’s family adviser, Jim Troy. “He’s devastated. It’s not like he can now turn to USA Hockey and say ‘Here I am.’”

Ryan is a dual citizen by dint of the fact that his mother, Catarina Lindqvist, is Swedish. Lindqvist was a pro tennis player who twice reached the semis of a Grand Slam Tournament (the Australian Open, and Wimbledon), only to lose both times to Martina Navratilova. So you can see where Ryan, who has also represented Sweden in international tennis tournaments, gets his athleticism.

Ryan, who is 5’10”, 182 lbs., was passed over in last summer’s NHL Draft. In nine games this season for Cornell, he has a 4-3-7 line and leads rookie d-men in scoring.
http://ushr.com/news/20111201

The IIHF rules seem to be slanted towards an emphasis on the country of a players development rather than any notion of national preference for the player when it comes to dual-citizens. The US has actually been on the wrong end of some of these rulings recently as well (Stefan Matteau and Alex Galchenyuk, though the former reportedly won his appeal and the latter has reportedly given up his Russian citizenship to help ensure his eligibility) and I'm sure it's extremely frustrating for the players even more so than the fans.

As a US fan, I wouldn't have a problem with Ryan representing Sweden despite the fact he's a product of the US development system. Samuelsson would be a little more annoying considering he spent a year in USA Hockey's NTDP program and has played for the US in an IIHF event. I don't know that William Nylander even actually has US citizenship as I believe he was born in Canada and neither of his parents are American. It should be noted that if he hadn't moved to Sweden he may have only had eligibility to play for Canada in the future so from a Swedish perspective it's certainly a fortunate decision he made the move.

At the same time I gather there's a real disconnect between what makes a person one nationality or another in America compared to Europe. The Samuelsson's might be 100% Swedish ethnically but in the US that doesn't stop them from being 100% American if they have citizenship. I remember hearing about Russian hockey announcers claiming the US had "stolen" Nick Bjugstad from Norway despite the fact he was born and raised in the US. I guess it goes to show there's no easy answer to these kinds of things but it's interesting to see as someone who's probably got a few dozen different ethnicities in his family lineage and considers himself "American" before any of them.

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06-24-2012, 05:07 PM
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What? So he was eligible for U18 WC....but not WJC..


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06-24-2012, 05:46 PM
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is it confirmed that he will return to Södertälje next season?
Yes, he will play with SSK J20 next season.


And I am still flabbergasted that Emil Lundberg wasn't drafted at all.


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06-24-2012, 06:38 PM
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What? So he was eligible for U18 WC....but not WJC..
I don't think it's 100% clear if the IIHF would have allowed him to play in last year's U18 tournament but rather conjecture on the source's part (I assume the "guarantee" they mention was from the Swedish federation to Ryan rather than from the IIHF to the Swedish federation). From what I've come to understand, every time an IIHF tournament is held there's a different group of people responsible for clearing eligibility. In the past the US has had players that were cleared to play that would have been deemed ineligible if the same rules applied to Ryan or a guy like Stefan Matteau had been applied. It seems that the IIHF may have been making an effort to tighten up their rules recently.

One thing I'm curious about is whether or now Ryan tried to appeal the decision or not. Matteau recently appealed the decision after being denied a previous appeal that happened before the recent U18's and the second appeal, after the tournament, was accepted. If Ryan did appeal and was declined and decided to try out for the US then I'd guess the matter is settled going forth and he's accepted that he's been deemed ineligible.

Truthfully, what I think the IIHF has to do is clarify their intentions in these matters and re-write their statues and bylaws to more accurately account for the complexities and variables of different cases.

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I feel more for him than Sweden to be honest. Now he has to try make the U.S. instead, when he already made it very clear where he wanted to play to begin with.

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central scouting:

A list
Elias Lindholm
Jacob de la Rose
Robert Hägg
Andre Burakovsky

B list
Linus Arnesson
Lucas Wallmark
Alexander Wennberg
Wilhelm Westlund
Marcus Högberg
Joel Lassinantti

C list
Gustav Bäckstrom
Sebastian Bengtsson
Anton Blomberg
Leon Bristedt
Adam Brodecki
Anton Cederholm
Viktor Crus Rydberg
Carl Dahlstrom
Kevin Ekman Larsson
Mattias Göransson
Fabian Gunnarsson
Alexander Henriksson
Jens Högbom
Amil Krupic
Tobias Liljendahl
Viktor Lindell
Anton Lindholm
Arvid Lundberg
Victor öhman
Gustav Possler
Tommy Stenqvist
Henrik Hjerpe
William Silwerfeldt-öhman
Ebbe Sionäs
Rasmus Fyrpihl
Robin Norell
David Westlund

NA
Nick Sörensen (B)
Axel Blomqvist (C)
Gustav olofsson (C)


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overages that has a chance to get draft?

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Am I the only one interested in why Wilhelm Westlund is on the B list? Over Cederholm, for example. Just curious.

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Scouting reports on Hägg, N.Hansson and Westlund from the U18 tournament in Ann Arbor:

http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/

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overages that has a chance to get draft?
Corey Pronman thinking Arvidsson could be on the draft radar.
https://twitter.com/coreypronman/sta...09241579237377

A good performance in WJC would help his stock of course.

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Corey Pronman thinking Arvidsson could be on the draft radar.
https://twitter.com/coreypronman/sta...09241579237377

A good performance in WJC would help his stock of course.



From his profile.


"NHL Prospects writer for Hockey Prospectus and ESPN. I'm also sarcastic"


Maybe he was sarcastic? I think Arvidsson is too small to get draft.

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