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06-22-2012, 05:49 PM
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67 points is an anomaly. It's a byproduct of playing with a supremely talented centre in Tavares. I could get 40 points playing with Tavares and I can barely skate!
Islanders fans are saying he didn't play with Tavares.

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06-22-2012, 05:53 PM
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Islanders fans are saying he didn't play with Tavares.
Lol. Really? What can you say about islanders fans.

Moulson Tavares PA was there number one line. Lines shift around but that was their main combo.

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Islanders fans are saying he didn't play with Tavares.
What? He most certainly did.

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06-22-2012, 05:55 PM
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He's a young Kaberle...more of an offensive d-man than all around. Average defensively.
Couldn't be more wrong. Wow.

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What would people be willing to pay for Paranteau? I don't think he's a bad player just feel like we'd be overpaying as he's a UFA who might have inflated #'s.

But Latendresse - Desharnais - Parenteau would be a cool line if we could snag Lats.

Then give Plekanec Cole and Pacioretty, and go with Moen - Eller - Gionta.

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06-22-2012, 05:57 PM
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Islanders fans are saying he didn't play with Tavares.
He played with Tavares more than anyone else, but he also spent about a third of his season centered by Nielson.

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06-22-2012, 06:17 PM
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He played with Tavares more than anyone else, but he also spent about a third of his season centered by Nielson.
Yeah most of the last 3 months they had Okposo with Moulson and Tavares.

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Couldn't be more wrong. Wow.
I watched him in junior and many of his games in Phoenix...I know who and what Yandle is.

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06-22-2012, 06:41 PM
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What would people be willing to pay for Paranteau? I don't think he's a bad player just feel like we'd be overpaying as he's a UFA who might have inflated #'s.

But Latendresse - Desharnais - Parenteau would be a cool line if we could snag Lats.

Then give Plekanec Cole and Pacioretty, and go with Moen - Eller - Gionta.
Yeah, we need a couple wingers who can produce. It would of course be ideal if they had more size than Parenteau. But it doesn't look like a UFA market where you can easily find the ideal solutions to your needs. Soooo... I wouldn't completely turn up my nose at Parenteau.

2-3 years at $3-4M per would be fine by me.

But of course, if that was his asking price, the Isles probably would have just re-signed him. And also there will probably be some sucker out there who does look at the 5-year $25M type of deal, there always is.

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06-22-2012, 07:04 PM
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Yeah most of the last 3 months they had Okposo with Moulson and Tavares.



I watched him in junior and many of his games in Phoenix...I know who and what Yandle is.
Me too. Plus most in the NHL disagree with you.

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06-24-2012, 02:39 PM
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Eklund, I know, but it's rumor season.

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06-24-2012, 02:55 PM
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That would be sweet, always liked Joe

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That would be sweet, always liked Joe
There's nothing they'd be willing to accept for Pavelski that would be a smart move for the Habs.

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06-24-2012, 03:36 PM
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We don't need another smallish centre. We're starting to be pretty stacked in that position.

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06-24-2012, 03:43 PM
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I like this roster - I think they really underperformed this past year but most of these players could play so much better and we don't really need to gut the team.

Am I alone thinking this?

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06-24-2012, 04:03 PM
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I like this roster - I think they really underperformed this past year but most of these players could play so much better and we don't really need to gut the team.

Am I alone thinking this?
No, but I'd still want to bolster it. Do something about Gomez and Kaberle, while trying to get a legit right handed top 4 D and a top 6 LW. Without getting rid of the aforementioned duo, we'll already have about 4-5 mil on the side to just try and add a winger.

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06-24-2012, 04:15 PM
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I like this roster - I think they really underperformed this past year but most of these players could play so much better and we don't really need to gut the team.

Am I alone thinking this?
No, wishful thinking of playoff dreams are the norm.

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06-24-2012, 04:17 PM
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No, but I'd still want to bolster it. Do something about Gomez and Kaberle, while trying to get a legit right handed top 4 D and a top 6 LW. Without getting rid of the aforementioned duo, we'll already have about 4-5 mil on the side to just try and add a winger.
I would definitely try to shed Gomez and Kaberle - and especially Weber - but what could we conceivably do to replace them? I feel like Bergevin won't just make trades until he's had an adequate understanding of how the players could play individually outside of the coveted Jacques Martin Trap-a-doodle-doo.

Maybe Eller will finally wake up? Bourque falls back on form? Pleks should produce at a higher clip too - and feed Gionta.

These aren't, and shouldn't be, loftly goals and if they reach them we're gonna have a good team. The only role I really, really feel we lack is a precision slapper on the PP, Wiz would look so good back there, but can we make do with Souray (if we drop Kabs)?

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No, wishful thinking of playoff dreams are the norm.
You saw how many games they lost by a goal late in the third. They're better than that. They're better than the Leafs, better than the Sens, better than the Sabres even. They should be a middle-playoff team as they are now.

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06-24-2012, 04:27 PM
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You saw how many games they lost by a goal late in the third. They're better than that. They're better than the Leafs, better than the Sens, better than the Sabres even. They should be a middle-playoff team as they are now.
They lost games in the third, they didn't win games in the third. That's the statistical signal. Even if we were unlucky, then you could argue we were a 12th place team and not a 15th place. A 6th place team doesn't bad luck itself to 15th place.

Meanwhile, they were an 8th place team at best before they lost Andrei Kostitsyn, Hal Gill and Michael Cammalleri. Those players are not replaced, and thus we are an inferior team unless Bergevin kicks ass on the free agent market.

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I would definitely try to shed Gomez and Kaberle - and especially Weber - but what could we conceivably do to replace them? I feel like Bergevin won't just make trades until he's had an adequate understanding of how the players could play individually outside of the coveted Jacques Martin Trap-a-doodle-doo.

Maybe Eller will finally wake up? Bourque falls back on form? Pleks should produce at a higher clip too - and feed Gionta.

These aren't, and shouldn't be, loftly goals and if they reach them we're gonna have a good team.
- Shed Gomez
- shed Kaberle
- Shed Weber
- Eller improved
- Bourque improves.
- Pleks improves.
- Gionta has fewer injuries

If each of those has a 50% chance of happening, then the odds they'll all happen is less than 1%. Meanwhile, what if:

- Cole reverts to form.
- Price gets injured
- Pacioretty regresses
- Subban gets injured
- Emelin gets injured
- etc

If each of those has a 30% chance of happening, then several will happen.

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They lost games in the third, they didn't win games in the third. That's the statistical signal. Even if we were unlucky, then you could argue we were a 12th place team and not a 15th place. A 6th place team doesn't bad luck itself to 15th place.

Meanwhile, they were an 8th place team at best before they lost Andrei Kostitsyn, Hal Gill and Michael Cammalleri. Those players are not replaced, and thus we are an inferior team unless Bergevin kicks ass on the free agent market.


- Shed Gomez
- shed Kaberle
- Shed Weber
- Eller improved
- Bourque improves.
- Pleks improves.
- Gionta has fewer injuries

If each of those has a 50% chance of happening, then the odds they'll all happen is less than 1%. Meanwhile, what if:

- Cole reverts to form.
- Price gets injured
- Pacioretty regresses
- Subban gets injured
- Emelin gets injured
- etc

If each of those has a 30% chance of happening, then several will happen.
You're chock full of terrible math If you want to discuss hockey sometime, lemme know.

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With AK and Cammy we had pretty good winger depth. Now, we've got a long way to go imo.

I can't believe how much worse PG made this team in one year, but AK was an UFA anyway. I absolutely hate Rene Bourque, he falls into the Gomez/Kaberle mold for me.

I expect a 4th line that is very hard to play against with MB at the helm. That could go a long way in improving the team, but I now think we have holes in the top 9 we simply never had before.

I would of gave Cammy a mulligan for last year if I was management, he was our most prolific goal scorer and I don't see Bourque replacing him or even AK. 25-30 goals in Calgary doesn't automatically translate to 25-30goals in Montreal. Sometimes the surroundings make all the difference.

Should be an interesting year. If nothing changes, we are not a playoff team imo.

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They lost games in the third, they didn't win games in the third. That's the statistical signal. Even if we were unlucky, then you could argue we were a 12th place team and not a 15th place. A 6th place team doesn't bad luck itself to 15th place.

Meanwhile, they were an 8th place team at best before they lost Andrei Kostitsyn, Hal Gill and Michael Cammalleri. Those players are not replaced, and thus we are an inferior team unless Bergevin kicks ass on the free agent market.


- Shed Gomez
- shed Kaberle
- Shed Weber
- Eller improved
- Bourque improves.
- Pleks improves.
- Gionta has fewer injuries

If each of those has a 50% chance of happening, then the odds they'll all happen is less than 1%. Meanwhile, what if:

- Cole reverts to form.
- Price gets injured
- Pacioretty regresses
- Subban gets injured
- Emelin gets injured
- etc

If each of those has a 30% chance of happening, then several will happen.
VERY creative stats there. Must be the 'new math' I hear they teach these days.

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You're chock full of terrible math
Actually, I have a first class honours undergraduate degree in mathematics and physics, I'll be getting a PhD in a few weeks, and I'll be making six figures next year in a technical job at age 28. I've tutored math and statistics to dozens of people, I've lectured on probability and statistics in a university, and I've turned down job offers from Wall Street. I get the relevant math just fine, thank you.

I don't blame you for not getting basic statistics -- most people don't. The point is, you can't assume the dice will roll you way every time even if you have a god shot on each individual roll. If you roll the dice many times, you will win some, and you will lose some.

If you roll two dice 36 times, you expect to get snake eyes once, not 36 times.

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I don't understand why so much hate for Kaberle...

He's not the best but he was still better than Diaz Campoli Weber and even Gill last year. We could even debate about Emelin who's while progressing, wasn't really that good defensively last year.

Plus the guy was playing with really bad complement to his style of game.

Pretty sure a
Subban Markov
Gorges Kaberle

Could become a good top 4 for the habs. We really need a Hamrlik kind of guy to play with Emelin next year.

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I'd do Pleky + 2nd/minor D prospect for Pavelski + late pick.

Get a couple of years younger, shed 1mil. Same offense/defence and hard work. Oh and he's versatile too. Can play wing.

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Actually, I have a first class honours undergraduate degree in mathematics and physics, I'll be getting a PhD in a few weeks, and I'll be making six figures next year in a technical job at age 28. I've tutored math and statistics to dozens of people, I've lectured on probability and statistics in a university, and I've turned down job offers from Wall Street. I get the relevant math just fine, thank you.
Ah sweet bro, is this the part where we brag about how much money we make, just so we can feel good about ourselves? Are you that kid from the "mon père yé riche" video??

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