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06-23-2012, 03:21 PM
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Do people follow hockey? Eller and Gallagher are two stud young players.

Brent Burns + 2nd got Coyle, 1st, Setoguchi.
Yandle is actually a little better then Burns. Setoguchi is worth more then Eller. Coyle>Gallagher . That offer is not even comparable to the Burns trade.

I'd hardly call Eller and Gallagher studs. I'm a Blues fan I like Eller I honestly thought he would have been more of an impact player by now.

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06-23-2012, 03:24 PM
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I should hope so, he's 3 years older.

But frankly Yandle is not actually miles ahead of Subban anyways.

Subban blocked more shots, had more hits, they had very comparable GA vs. TA numbers.

Subban played WAY more on the PK unit as well.

And Yandle had all of 7 more points than Subban, on a much stronger team.

Care to elaborate on how Yandle is miles ahead of Subban? MTL would laugh at a Yandle for Subban trade.

Also, I'll just give you the bonus 2 points I would have awarded you after your response since I'm almost positive you'll make a comment about Yandle being a better teammate than Subban.

So here's your 2 points, feel free to prove me wrong on that though
Phoenix is not a much stronger team than montreal. Both teams play a defense first system. The coyotes are not better defensively than Montreal overall.

GAA/game
Phoenix - 2.37 (5th)
Montreal - 2.61 (11th)

G/game
Phoenix - 2.56 (18th)
Montreal - 2.52 (19th)

Don't talk about team dominance being a factor, gaa/gm is hardly any different.

Yandle played PP.
Subban played PP and PK.

Subban averaged 24:18 TOI/game.
Yandle averaged 22:22.

Playing less time and producing better than Subban on a defensively dominant team looks a lot better IMO. Yandle is an offensive d-man on a defensive team. Sure you can make the whole "Subban is a more rounded player blah blah blah" but that's why Phoenix is smart enough to bring in specialists for each position. That's why we finished 8th in the league with an 85.5% penalty kill with "sub-par" players like everyone likes to call us, unlike Montreal who can spend to the cap max and finish 3rd last.

Now imagine if Yandle got put on a team with stronger offensive talent than just Doan and Whitney. The numbers would easily be greater if we had more offensive depth. But we don't because we have a budget team that runs about $10mil shy of the regular NHL cap.

There's a reason why people want Yandle on their team. He has great offensive instincts and a pretty good back-checking game as well. He can run a powerplay with sub-par players, he'll easily help produce with better players.

If I wanted to make the "better teammate" argument, I would have in my first post.

And lets try and not respond with "but Subban would be top-2 on our defense, Yandle would be 3-6 d-man on our team".

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06-23-2012, 03:25 PM
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Oh... and what has Eller done to prove he's a stud? Serious question.

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06-23-2012, 03:37 PM
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Phoenix is not a much stronger team than montreal. Both teams play a defense first system. The coyotes are not better defensively than Montreal overall.

GAA/game
Phoenix - 2.37 (5th)
Montreal - 2.61 (11th)

G/game
Phoenix - 2.56 (18th)
Montreal - 2.52 (19th)

Don't talk about team dominance being a factor, gaa/gm is hardly any different.

Yandle played PP.
Subban played PP and PK.

Subban averaged 24:18 TOI/game.
Yandle averaged 22:22.

Playing less time and producing better than Subban on a defensively dominant team looks a lot better IMO. Yandle is an offensive d-man on a defensive team. Sure you can make the whole "Subban is a more rounded player blah blah blah" but that's why Phoenix is smart enough to bring in specialists for each position. That's why we finished 8th in the league with an 85.5% penalty kill with "sub-par" players like everyone likes to call us, unlike Montreal who can spend to the cap max and finish 3rd last.

Now imagine if Yandle got put on a team with stronger offensive talent than just Doan and Whitney. The numbers would easily be greater if we had more offensive depth. But we don't because we have a budget team that runs about $10mil shy of the regular NHL cap.

There's a reason why people want Yandle on their team. He has great offensive instincts and a pretty good back-checking game as well. He can run a powerplay with sub-par players, he'll easily help produce with better players.

If I wanted to make the "better teammate" argument, I would have in my first post.

And lets try and not respond with "but Subban would be top-2 on our defense, Yandle would be 3-6 d-man on our team".
All that long winded meandering stuff and not a single real "reason" to back up Yandle being "miles" ahead of Subban.

Care to try again?

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06-23-2012, 03:40 PM
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Now just to re-iterate. I like Yandle a lot as a player. Very solid d-man.

I just want to know how he is "miles ahead" of Subban is all.

Since you made that claim you should be able to back it up, although in your first attempt you just managed to...I can't think of a nicer way to say this....embarrass yourself.

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06-23-2012, 03:40 PM
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Phoenix is not a much stronger team than montreal. Both teams play a defense first system. The coyotes are not better defensively than Montreal overall.

GAA/game
Phoenix - 2.37 (5th)
Montreal - 2.61 (11th)

G/game
Phoenix - 2.56 (18th)
Montreal - 2.52 (19th)

Don't talk about team dominance being a factor, gaa/gm is hardly any different.

Yandle played PP.
Subban played PP and PK.

Subban averaged 24:18 TOI/game.
Yandle averaged 22:22.

Playing less time and producing better than Subban on a defensively dominant team looks a lot better IMO. Yandle is an offensive d-man on a defensive team. Sure you can make the whole "Subban is a more rounded player blah blah blah" but that's why Phoenix is smart enough to bring in specialists for each position. That's why we finished 8th in the league with an 85.5% penalty kill with "sub-par" players like everyone likes to call us, unlike Montreal who can spend to the cap max and finish 3rd last.

Now imagine if Yandle got put on a team with stronger offensive talent than just Doan and Whitney. The numbers would easily be greater if we had more offensive depth. But we don't because we have a budget team that runs about $10mil shy of the regular NHL cap.

There's a reason why people want Yandle on their team. He has great offensive instincts and a pretty good back-checking game as well. He can run a powerplay with sub-par players, he'll easily help produce with better players.

If I wanted to make the "better teammate" argument, I would have in my first post.

And lets try and not respond with "but Subban would be top-2 on our defense, Yandle would be 3-6 d-man on our team".
You're blowing hot air. Subban and Yandle are pretty comparable defensemen except Subban brings a lot more to a team and is younger.

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06-23-2012, 03:44 PM
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Montreal say no thanks Perhaps in the old era of Goatier/Gainey silly trades like this would be made. They will be building from the draft and Gallagher is going to be a stud.
Dude Eller + Gallagher is a huge underpayment for Yandle, what the hell are u on about?

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06-23-2012, 03:46 PM
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Dude Eller + Gallagher is a huge underpayment for Yandle, what the hell are u on about?
I doubt Montreal makes the trade either personally.

Even though they did gain some forward prsopect depth yesterday they' still be trading away 2 of their better potential forwards moving forward.

Yandle isn't going to get traded anyways.

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06-23-2012, 03:49 PM
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Do people follow hockey? Eller and Gallagher are two stud young players.

Brent Burns + 2nd got Coyle, 1st, Setoguchi.
Add Galchenyuk and Ellis.

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06-23-2012, 05:44 PM
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More like Plekanec + 1st rounder for Yandle.
way to laugh off a bad proposal to then proceed with a worst one of your own.

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06-23-2012, 05:57 PM
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Now just to re-iterate. I like Yandle a lot as a player. Very solid d-man.

I just want to know how he is "miles ahead" of Subban is all.

Since you made that claim you should be able to back it up, although in your first attempt you just managed to...I can't think of a nicer way to say this....embarrass yourself.
I get it, the kind of person you are? Nothing will satisfy you. Thanks for coming out chubbs.

Now take your 28th finishing team and go spend to the max again.

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06-24-2012, 04:11 AM
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I get it, the kind of person you are? Nothing will satisfy you. Thanks for coming out chubbs.

Now take your 28th finishing team and go spend to the max again.
ironclad argument. well done sir!

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06-24-2012, 06:19 AM
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Do people follow hockey? Eller and Gallagher are two stud young players.

Brent Burns + 2nd got Coyle, 1st, Setoguchi.
Brent Burns wasn't signed long term like Yandle was therefore Yandle's value is increased because he is not close to UFA status.

While Eller and Gallagher are nice young players, they are hardly "STUDS".

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06-24-2012, 10:24 AM
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as a habs fan thats a terrible proposal for Yandle.

You have to think with Tinordi, Plekanec and 2012 2nd.

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06-24-2012, 01:42 PM
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I get it, the kind of person you are? Nothing will satisfy you. Thanks for coming out chubbs.

Now take your 28th finishing team and go spend to the max again.
There were many nights last year where the Habs line up they iced was WELL under the cap, and in fact on numerous occasions they were below the floor.

As for "nothing" satfisying me...no, rest assured your meandering nonsense that in no way addressed how Yandle is "miles ahead" of Subban and your follow up where you completely ignored the fact that you didn't answer the question and you made some bizarre comments before trashign on my team satisfied me more than you'll ever know

Thanks for the laughs

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06-24-2012, 03:00 PM
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Habs need rigth D not left D

Gorges
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To Phoenix: Lars Eller + Brendan Gallagher
To Montreal: Keith Yandle + Raffi Torres
As a Habs fan, the value is not close for Yandle alone. We would have to add. Plekanec, Gallagher and a pick would be closer.

Yandle is not "miles ahead" of Subban, but it is fair to argue either way for one being better than the other. Either one is worth having.

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