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06-24-2012, 02:52 AM
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Long Term Draft Performance

Many feel that the Canucks have drafted poorly for most of their existence. And there are plenty of examples that support that view. However this article

http://sports.nationalpost.com/2012/...the-nhl-draft/

suggests that over the long term, the Canucks performance is around the middle of the pack based on number of different measures and better than that in a few. Probably not everyone will agree with the measures used but there is always debate about how many things in hockey are measured.

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Claims like 'our drafting has always been bad' are really lacking in analysis.

Like everything, it's gone in cycles depending on the league and our management, and has at times been very good and very bad.

Our formative years were 'ok' - got a fair number of players, but were really unlucky in terms of where we ended up picking .... narrowly missed out on Perreault, Lafleur, Dionne, Potvin all by 1-2 picks in our first 3 drafts.

Our drafting from 1978-83 was exceptional, but terrible management squandered most of these assets in poor deals.

We then went through a very lean period in the mid-1980s, before it rebounded during the Quinn years, and we were one of the best-drafting teams during the 1990s despite struggling in the first round at times. I've made this point before, but in 1992 - the year we took Libor Polasek - we probably had the best draft of any team in the league.

The last draft of the Quinn/Penny era was 1998 (another great draft) and after that things really went into the toilet during the Burke years.

From 1999-2007, our drafting was utter rubbish save for one outlier very good draft in 2004.

Under Gillis post-2008, it seems a bit better but we haven't had a lot of tangible results yet.

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It's pure confirmation bias when people complain about the Canucks' drafting -- they think of our team's missed opportunities and of superstars snatched up by other teams, without considering the opposite.

I'd say there's truth in that the Canucks have very rarely picked super high-impact players, but a lot of that comes from some bad luck in the team's weaker years coinciding with weaker drafts (e.g. in 1998 Bryan Allen was the consensus BPA even though everyone knew there was a huge dropoff after Lecavalier) and vice versa.

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Claims like 'our drafting has always been bad' are really lacking in analysis.

Like everything, it's gone in cycles depending on the league and our management, and has at times been very good and very bad.

Our formative years were 'ok' - got a fair number of players, but were really unlucky in terms of where we ended up picking .... narrowly missed out on Perreault, Lafleur, Dionne, Potvin all by 1-2 picks in our first 3 drafts.

Our drafting from 1978-83 was exceptional, but terrible management squandered most of these assets in poor deals.

We then went through a very lean period in the mid-1980s, before it rebounded during the Quinn years, and we were one of the best-drafting teams during the 1990s despite struggling in the first round at times. I've made this point before, but in 1992 - the year we took Libor Polasek - we probably had the best draft of any team in the league.

The last draft of the Quinn/Penny era was 1998 (another great draft) and after that things really went into the toilet during the Burke years.

From 1999-2007, our drafting was utter rubbish save for one outlier very good draft in 2004.

Under Gillis post-2008, it seems a bit better but we haven't had a lot of tangible results yet.
my initial reaction was that's not possible, but then i looked at that draft and you're right-- peca + aucoin + garbage was probably the best yield from that draft. what an awful draft that was.

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It's pure confirmation bias when people complain about the Canucks' drafting -- they think of our team's missed opportunities and of superstars snatched up by other teams, without considering the opposite.

I'd say there's truth in that the Canucks have very rarely picked super high-impact players, but a lot of that comes from some bad luck in the team's weaker years coinciding with weaker drafts (e.g. in 1998 Bryan Allen was the consensus BPA even though everyone knew there was a huge dropoff after Lecavalier) and vice versa.


Incorrect. That's too simplistic an answer to a long-standing issue. The proof is on the roster. Or rather, not on the roster. "Bad Luck" is again, too general an answer. When you take into account the "good" years in stronger drafts, it becomes clearer that sometimes the Canucks are their own worst enemy. Bad scouting instead of Bad luck seems more plausible in those cases.


You said so yourself, the Canucks very rarely pick high-impact players. Confirmation bias or not, the evidence is well on display.

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Claims like 'our drafting has always been bad' are really lacking in analysis.

Like everything, it's gone in cycles depending on the league and our management, and has at times been very good and very bad.

Our formative years were 'ok' - got a fair number of players, but were really unlucky in terms of where we ended up picking .... narrowly missed out on Perreault, Lafleur, Dionne, Potvin all by 1-2 picks in our first 3 drafts.

Our drafting from 1978-83 was exceptional, but terrible management squandered most of these assets in poor deals.

We then went through a very lean period in the mid-1980s, before it rebounded during the Quinn years, and we were one of the best-drafting teams during the 1990s despite struggling in the first round at times. I've made this point before, but in 1992 - the year we took Libor Polasek - we probably had the best draft of any team in the league.

The last draft of the Quinn/Penny era was 1998 (another great draft) and after that things really went into the toilet during the Burke years.

From 1999-2007, our drafting was utter rubbish save for one outlier very good draft in 2004.

Under Gillis post-2008, it seems a bit better but we haven't had a lot of tangible results yet.
I wonder if the "cust cutting" that Burke has acknowledged he was brought in to do had an impact on the scouting? Coincidence that it seemed to occur around the same time?

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well.. Stop Winnin' for Mackinnon?

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here's our all time draft list, our 1999-2007 drafting wasn't terrible, but it wasnt great either.

http://canucks.nhl.com/club/draftsta...ocation=/draft

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