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06-24-2012, 03:18 PM
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And Gallagher, Kristo, et al. ? Injuries, busts, surprises, trades, retirements, etc?

Don't make predictions two days after the draft.

Sorry I made predictions. I won't do it again...

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06-24-2012, 05:20 PM
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Sorry I made predictions. I won't do it again...
No, you're just excited like we all are, but you're wrong. Not every player we drafted this year will make the team just like not every player we drafted 4-5 years ago is a first line player today.

We have a ton of prospects and just added a ton more, most of them will wither in obscurity.

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06-24-2012, 06:34 PM
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No, you're just excited like we all are, but you're wrong. Not every player we drafted this year will make the team just like not every player we drafted 4-5 years ago is a first line player today.

We have a ton of prospects and just added a ton more, most of them will wither in obscurity.
I put 3/7 of 2012 draft picks in the lineup, which doesn't strike me as a stretch. Most people agree that Galchenyuk, Collberg and Thrower will likely make it. The rest are hypothetical, which I indicated.

You, not me, are a bit excited. Chill and go have a beer, if you are old enough.

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06-24-2012, 07:03 PM
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I put 3/7 of 2012 draft picks in the lineup, which doesn't strike me as a stretch. Most people agree that Galchenyuk, Collberg and Thrower will likely make it. The rest are hypothetical, which I indicated.

You, not me, are a bit excited. Chill and go have a beer, if you are old enough.
And Danny Kristo, Gallagher, Bournival, Dumont and Geoffrion. Are they all making the team too?

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06-24-2012, 07:23 PM
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And Danny Kristo, Gallagher, Bournival, Dumont and Geoffrion. Are they all making the team too?
Of those I can only see Gallagher actually making an impact.

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06-24-2012, 07:32 PM
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Of those I can only see Gallagher actually making an impact.
Exactly. And when The aforementioned players continue their development, some will fall off, some will rise to the AHL and some might be blessed enough to make it to the bigs and stay.

To predict that Collberg, with 0 points in 40-something games, is going to be a 2nd line winger for an NHL team is asinine and certainly something that I'd mock if a poster of a rival's board had said it.

Wait-and-see. Every prospect is told the same thing "If you make it to the NHL, it's only because YOU took your chance and you PUT YOURSELF in the league." That is to say, their destinies are in their own hands (injuries aside) not in management. Management, and most fans, should be conservative with their predictions and expectations (especially TWO DAYS AFTER THE DRAFT) for this reason.

Michel Therrien isn't going into camp with Galchenyuk penciled in, but Galchenyuk is. So is Geoffrion and Leblanc and St-Denis and Tinordi - if they truly want it, that is.

Semi-related: My favorite "development" story is that of Souray, he spent an entire summer extensively working on his Slapshot and went from ~10 goals a year to ~20 and it got him 25 million dollars, or like ~12.5million more than he would've made.

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06-24-2012, 07:42 PM
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To predict that Collberg, with 0 points in 40-something games, is going to be a 2nd line winger for an NHL team is asinine and certainly something that I'd mock if a poster of a rival's board had said it.

I agree...

...I think he'll be a first line winger.

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2years from now.

Pacioretty - Galchenyuk - Collberg
Tim Bozon - Lars Eller - Eric Cole
Leblanc - Desharnais - Bourque

R.Sutter - Subban
Tinordi - Beaulieu
Gorges - Emelin

Price

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cole and collberg can be swaped, r.sutter.. better be signed.. and.. well the rest.. that's it.

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06-24-2012, 07:59 PM
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And at the same time, there's a lot of anglos who wouldn't be happy until we have an all anglo team with an all anglo coaching staff etc...
This is the most ignorant thing I've seen on these boards in years.
I am a 40+ year old Montrealer. Born here. Raised here.

ONLY the french media care about the ethnic make up of the team.
The actual french speaking population do not care about this issue as much as the media.

I can tell you that English speaking Habs fans want a great team. The language a player speaks is 100% secondary.

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06-24-2012, 08:11 PM
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To predict that Collberg, with 0 points in 40-something games, is going to be a 2nd line winger for an NHL team is asinine and certainly something that I'd mock if a poster of a rival's board had said it.
We usually agree, but I very strongly disagree with this statement.

Collberg is going to be a top 6 forward in the NHL, no doubt in my mind. Firstly, his skillset is that of a purely offensive player, and he was a highly regarded prospect due to his ability to be a scoring line player. He has top notch speed and quickness, as well as a top tier release on his wrister that is absolutely deadly not to mention is tenacity and puck skills.

His stats last year should be completely ignored. He was a 17 year old playing a few minutes a night on a 4th line in the SEL. At the WJC, playing against guys mostly a year or two older, he looked like a star.

The reason he slipped was due to the fact teams were looking for wingers with size (EDM at 32, PHX at 27, WAS at 16, etc), centers, and defenseman.

Collberg is a stud. Get excited, it's absolutely a miracle he feel to 33.

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06-24-2012, 09:01 PM
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In 3-4 years, using only this pool of prospect:

Pacioretty - Glachenyuk - Gallagher
Collberg - Plekanec - Cole
Palushaj - Eller - Kristo
White - Engqvist - Conboy
Holland

Emelin - Subban
Beaulieu - Gorges
Ellis - Tinordi
Nash

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06-24-2012, 09:37 PM
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no gallagher-desharnais-gionta line?


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06-24-2012, 09:43 PM
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no gallagher-desharnais-gionta line?
FYI Carbo has not been coach for over three seasons now.

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06-24-2012, 10:20 PM
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Pacioretty - Desharnais - Eric Cole
Galchenyuk - Lars Eller - Collberg
Geoffrion - Leblanc - Moen

Markov - Emelin
Beaulieu - Subban
Tinordi - Gorges
Diaz

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06-24-2012, 10:56 PM
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Pacioretty - Desharnais - Eric Cole
Galchenyuk - Lars Eller - Collberg
Geoffrion - Leblanc - Moen

Markov - Emelin
Beaulieu - Subban
Tinordi - Gorges
Diaz

Believe me you do not want to ruin Galchenyuk potential by bringing him to the NHL playing LW to Lars Eller, you want Lars on the wing or Lars traded.

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06-24-2012, 10:57 PM
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Believe me you do not want to ruin Galchenyuk potential by bringing him to the NHL playing LW to Lars Eller, you want Lars on the wing or Lars traded.
Yeah, that'll cement our Dynasty, right?

What a joke.

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06-24-2012, 11:06 PM
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Pacioretty Galchenyuk Gallagher
Eller Plekanec Leblanc
Collberg Desharnais Kristo
Geoffrion Bournival White
Bozon/Schultz

Tinordi Subban
Emelin Gorges
Ellis Beaulieu
Thrower

Or more likely...

Pacioretty Galchenyuk FA/Trade
Eller Plekanec FA/Trade/Draft
FA/Trade/Draft Bournival Leblanc
Geoffrion FA/Trade/Draft White
FA/Trade/Draft

FA/Trade/Draft Subban
Tinordi Gorges
FA/Trade/Draft Beaulieu
Thrower/Ellis

Interesting to see what Gallagher can do in the next 2 seasons. My guess is he has a short window. Wish we were like Detroit and let him play 3-4 seasons in the AHL before giving him a shot instead of rushing him and deciding after 1.5 yrs he's a bust. Maybe this will be part of the new direction.

I'm hopeful! I don't believe we don't have a much better management team and approach now. I sort of hope they take another year to make serious strides though as you can see there are still some big holes potentially. Either way, I think we're moving in the right direction.

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06-24-2012, 11:09 PM
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Believe me you do not want to ruin Galchenyuk potential by bringing him to the NHL playing LW to Lars Eller, you want Lars on the wing or Lars traded.
Oh no, remember Benoit Pouliot and what could of been.

Galchenyuk might be a winger for for life, nothing is cast in stone.

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06-24-2012, 11:45 PM
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Oh no, remember Benoit Pouliot and what could of been.

Galchenyuk might be a winger for for life, nothing is cast in stone.
Would be kind of a drag because we need a big first line centre, but hey, if Eller's development absolutely skyrockets, he could be it. Definitely wouldn't bet on it, but a Galchenyuk-Eller-Pacioretty line would be tough to play against.

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We usually agree, but I very strongly disagree with this statement.

Collberg is going to be a top 6 forward in the NHL, no doubt in my mind. Firstly, his skillset is that of a purely offensive player, and he was a highly regarded prospect due to his ability to be a scoring line player. He has top notch speed and quickness, as well as a top tier release on his wrister that is absolutely deadly not to mention is tenacity and puck skills.

His stats last year should be completely ignored. He was a 17 year old playing a few minutes a night on a 4th line in the SEL. At the WJC, playing against guys mostly a year or two older, he looked like a star.

The reason he slipped was due to the fact teams were looking for wingers with size (EDM at 32, PHX at 27, WAS at 16, etc), centers, and defenseman.

Collberg is a stud. Get excited, it's absolutely a miracle he feel to 33.
Love this post

DO get excited,...collberg should of went 15 to 32, and we got him at 33

i wont lie, hearing about the 0 points in 40 games in SEL was SLIGHTLY alarming, as i only knew about his WJC and 18 WJC stats where he KILLED it and even out performed FORSBERG who i was RLY high about

but i knew and understood the situation... teenager, playing with the big boys, 6 minutes a game and all that, ..its completely understandable

i love to check hockeydb, and see the whole team, ..and you see every players name and what they did, as well as their Age right next to it ...and you see 31, 35, 27, 25....and then all of a sudden, u see some random "17", and it just puts everything into perspective

to GET there at all, is a testament to collberg, ..0 points, but people have to understand, to even be able or GET to play with the big boys is an accomplishment in itself, just MAKING it at all at such a young age should be the eye opener, not statistics itself


my buddy had a great line "i cant beleive, our first 2 picks had a combined ZERO GOALS this year, and im STILL psyched out!!!!"

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06-25-2012, 10:58 AM
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Whatever you want to say about Gainey/Gauthier - they did finally get us some size/skill in the top 6, including inadvertently tanking so we could get Galchenyuk. They also got us a young towering Dman in Tinordi, a big goalie in Price and critically, a future big #2 center in Eller. Crucial. Even Bourque is potentially a nice pickup by Goat, as was drafting Beaulieu. You cannot win without size AND skill, not just skill. Even Avtsin, if he packs some muscle on his 6-2 frame.

Maxpac $ - Plekanec $$ - Cole $$
Bourque $ - Galchenyuk - Gallagher/Avtsin (or trade deadline acquisition?)
Holland/Leblanc - Eller $ - Gallagher/Avtsin
GRIT - Engqvist - White
DD
Fighter for reg. season

Tinordi - Subban $$
Markov $$$ - Emelin
Gorges $ - Beaulieu
UFA vet

Carey Price $$$
A very patient man


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Quite Simple, in 2-5 years how does our lineup project? Certainly much brighter after today, opinions may vary, however I think we can all agree that our future is bright.


Max Pacioretty 'A' - Alex Galchenyuk - Brendan Gallagher

Louis LeBlanc - Tomas Plekanec 'A' - Sebastian Collberg

Tim Bozon - Lars Eller - (big body prospect)

(Big Body Prospect) - Michael Bournival - Ryan White

Josh Gorges 'C' - P.K. Subban

Nathan Beaulieu - Jared Tinordi

Dalton Thrower - Morgan Ellis

Carey Price

Joe Blow
In 5 years, Plekanec and Eller aren't in Montreal anymore.

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06-25-2012, 11:16 AM
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With Collberg, I'm a little more concerned that in the WJC his production was far better against weak opposition (Which is the difference between him and someone like Forsberg, who didn't put up gaudy stats but looked equally comfortable against bottom feeders and tough opposition), but not by his production last year. It reminds of Nino Niederreiter's situation in the NHL last year, except Collberg did spend more time in the jrs and bounced back nicely this summer. And Frolunda wasn't just being cheap like the Isles were with Nino.

Yeah sure, he can bust, but I have now clue how he fell that far. In mock drafts even the biggest skeptics had Collberg around 25.

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The LULZ when Eller becomes an untouchable by the end of next season. Most people will want to forget what they posted about him.

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The LULZ when Eller becomes an untouchable by the end of next season. Most people will want to forget what they posted about him.
He put up 1 less point than Plekanec in a comparable season (Plek played less games to be fair), and only doubled his point production, we should trade him for a 5th round pick then complain we don't have enoug size.

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