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06-24-2012, 08:29 PM
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Nonsense!

No one in their right mind would have paid 4M+ for Stoll.

I guess I'm in the minority here because he doesn't deserve a penny more than 2M imo.
Handzus got $4 million per for four years after major knee surgery. With a $70 cap, Stoll was getting $4+ on the open market.

Handzus also got $2.5 million last year and he was terrible with the kings his last season.

Stoll is younger, quicker, hits and is top 15 in face-offs. He was getting paid, he stepped up at the most important time of the season. He's been to the finals twice and won once.

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Nonsense!

No one in their right mind would have paid 4M+ for Stoll.

I guess I'm in the minority here because he doesn't deserve a penny more than 2M imo.
I don't agree about the 2M.

But the 4M part is correct. Jarret Stoll had 8 goals and 26 points in 98 games this season, and while his overall play improved in the playoffs this is never going to be a guy in consideration for a Selke trophy.

If the going rate on the open market is 4+ mill for a 6 goal faceoff specialist the NHL deserves another lockout.

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Nonsense!

No one in their right mind would have paid 4M+ for Stoll.

I guess I'm in the minority here because he doesn't deserve a penny more than 2M imo.
Toronto, Columbus and Edmonton. To name a few.

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I don't agree about the 2M.

But the 4M part is correct. Jarret Stoll had 8 goals and 26 points in 98 games this season, and while his overall play improved in the playoffs this is never going to be a guy in consideration for a Selke trophy.

If the going rate on the open market is 4+ mill for a 6 goal faceoff specialist the NHL deserves another lockout.
What do you think Gaustad is going to make?


Stoll also had three consecutive 40+ point seasons. Almost everyone was down statistically last season.

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06-24-2012, 08:35 PM
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This free agency class is among the worst in a LONG time. Teams have more cap space now then ever. Every UFA will get grossly overpaid. Parise will be the first.

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What do you think Gaustad is going to make?


Stoll also had three consecutive 40+ point seasons. Almost everyone was down statistically last season.
I expect Gaustad to get $3,500,00 for 3 years.

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This free agency class is among the worst in a LONG time. Teams have more cap space now then ever. Every UFA will get grossly overpaid. Parise will be the first.
I could see some team offering Paul Gaustad stupid money. Stoll re-signing for less makes me appreciate him more for his loyalty and desire to win.

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Who thought Leino would get the money he got last season? I'm going to say nobody because his contract is utterly ridiculous. It just shows, when teams are desperate.. they will pay. Its not completely absurd to think that Stoll would have gotten more on July 1st.

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I could see some team offering Paul Gaustad stupid money. Stoll re-signing for less makes me appreciate him more for his loyalty and desire to win.
Agreed. I always thought Stoll was the definition of class. This proves it.

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Who thought Leino would get the money he got last season? I'm going to say nobody because his contract is utterly ridiculous. It just shows, when teams are desperate.. they will pay. Its not completely absurd to think that Stoll would have gotten more on July 1st.
That Leino deal is just 8 goals!

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Somebody would have overpaid Stoll, regular season be damned. I don't know for sure that it would have been 4, but it would have been really close.

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Handzus got $4 million per for four years after major knee surgery. With a $70 cap, Stoll was getting $4+ on the open market.

Handzus also got $2.5 million last year and he was terrible with the kings his last season.

Stoll is younger, quicker, hits and is top 15 in face-offs. He was getting paid, he stepped up at the most important time of the season. He's been to the finals twice and won once.
DL HAD to overpay for a guy like Zeus, because were trying to build and attract UFAs. Stoll is already a king, and probably would have stayed here for less.

Besides, who cares if hs's faster and younger if he isn't producing? Having said that, if the line of King/Stoll/Lewis stay intact, I do see Stoll's numbers improving.

I'm just blown away at your 4M+ comment!

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DL HAD to overpay for a guy like Zeus, because were trying to build and attract UFAs. Stoll is already a king, and probably would have stayed here for less.

Besides, who cares if hs's faster and younger if he isn't producing? Having said that, if the line of King/Stoll/Lewis stay intact, I do see Stoll's numbers improving.

I'm just blown away at your 4M+ comment!
With every team having loads of cap space, this FA class being incredibly barren, and the sheer stupidity of NHL GMs (Jeff Finger, Ville Leino, Scott Gomez, etc., etc., etc...), Stoll could have easily received upwards of $4 million on the open market. To think he's worth closer to $2 million is asinine.

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He actually could be right about slightly above average 3rd liners commanding 4 mill a year.

We can look at what Stoll got, what Leino got, and what Garrison is going to get and we shouldn't be surprised when the only thread we are commenting on at this board is "The all lockout talk goes here" thread.

The cap is not sustainable for a large chunk of teams.

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DL HAD to overpay for a guy like Zeus, because were trying to build and attract UFAs. Stoll is already a king, and probably would have stayed here for less.

Besides, who cares if hs's faster and younger if he isn't producing? Having said that, if the line of King/Stoll/Lewis stay intact, I do see Stoll's numbers improving.

I'm just blown away at your 4M+ comment!
You think the kings are the only ones that need to overpay to get UFAs? Chicago had to overpay to sign Campbell before they won the cup.

Buffalo gave out some stupid contracts just last off season. Do you know how many teams are below the cap floor right now? Stoll would have been overpaid on the open market. Maybe $3.875 instead of $4.

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With every team having loads of cap space, this FA class being incredibly barren, and the sheer stupidity of NHL GMs (Jeff Finger, Ville Leino, Scott Gomez, etc., etc., etc...), Stoll could have easily received upwards of $4 million on the open market. To think he's worth closer to $2 million is asinine.
Great!

To you, 8 goals and 26 pts = 4M+???

I just think too many of you guys are still on a Stanley Cup high. Believe me, if Stoll has the type of season he had this past year, you guys will be asking for DL's neck again.

We could have and should have signed Stoll for 2M. If not, let him walk.

To me, both Stoll and Penner should have been signed for 2M max! If not, See Ya!

The funny thing is, during the entire season, I was one of very few who defended Penner and Stoll all season.

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You think the kings are the only ones that need to overpay to get UFAs? Chicago had to overpay to sign Campbell before they won the cup.

Buffalo gave out some stupid contracts just last off season. Do you know how many teams are below the cap floor right now? Stoll would have been overpaid on the open market. Maybe $3.875 instead of $4.
That's just it! We, as the Stanley Cup Champs shouldn't have to overpay. We should be able to sign players for less, not for more.

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Syd,

The cap floor means absolutely nothing because the CBA is expiring. If the PA thinks the cap floor is going to stay this high they are greatly mistaken and we are in for a long long lockout.

The floor is almost 10 million more than the cap was in 06, that is unrealistic and unsustainable for most clubs, especially with no revenue sharing.

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That's just it! We, as the Stanley Cup Champs shouldn't have to overpay. We should be able to sign players for less, not for more.
Well, Stoll did sign for less..yes?

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That's just it! We, as the Stanley Cup Champs shouldn't have to overpay. We should be able to sign players for less, not for more.
That is BS.

A Stanley Cup ring is great and all, but most guys are rightfully going to take an extra few million in their retirement nest eggs.


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Well, Stoll did sign for less..yes?
Maybe, maybe not. Syd seems to think Stoll was a lock for 4+. I have a hard time believing that...

1) Anyone would give him that much after how bad a season he had. People are looking at what the cap is and forgetting we are headed for a lockout and an overhaul of the salary structure.

2) If Stoll was going to get 4 exactly, he gave up almost $2 million over the 3 years of the contract. That is more than a hometown discount. I have a hard time believing he would do that, the backfire would be huge from his union. I think people on this board are overvaluing his worth, maybe he gets 3.5 or 3.6, but not 4+, not a chance.

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DL HAD to overpay for a guy like Zeus, because were trying to build and attract UFAs. Stoll is already a king, and probably would have stayed here for less.
Zeus signed that deal with the Sharks last year. OP reference 2.5 mil contract.

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That's just it! We, as the Stanley Cup Champs shouldn't have to overpay. We should be able to sign players for less, not for more.
The Kings did sign him for less. He was never going to make less than $3 million per. $2 million is a joke.

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My offer to Parise is $4 million per for 5 years.

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Great!

To you, 8 goals and 26 pts = 4M+???

I just think too many of you guys are still on a Stanley Cup high. Believe me, if Stoll has the type of season he had this past year, you guys will be asking for DL's neck again.

We could have and should have signed Stoll for 2M. If not, let him walk.

To me, both Stoll and Penner should have been signed for 2M max! If not, See Ya!

The funny thing is, during the entire season, I was one of very few who defended Penner and Stoll all season.
It's so easy for people to look at the offensive stats and claim they are not worth the money.

People have to realize that not every play can put up a point per game while playing on a defense first team. Most of the season was played under TM"s system that did not allow for any offense. I'm willing to bet guys like Stoll and Penner (if he resigns) will be back up close to the 20g mark with the new forechecking system in place.

Stoll at 3.25m is a steal considering the weak market this year. I'm thinking penner gets close to the same amount next week as well.

Lastly, even if they do suck in the regular season, if they play balls out like they did in the playoffs this year then im all for paying them MORE. Post season is where the paychecks are earned, just ask stamkos how all his goals worked out for him on their cup run.

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My offer to Parise is $4 million per for 5 years.
Is that before or after the Kings sign Quick for 4.5 million?

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Is that before or after the Kings sign Quick for 4.5 million?
I don't even think that contract would be legal, haha.

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