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Sens Board Prospect Rankings 2012 (1st)

View Poll Results: Vote for our #1 Prospect!
Robin Lehner 19 9.90%
Stefan Noesen 2 1.04%
Jakob Silfverberg 101 52.60%
Mark Stone 6 3.13%
Matt Puempel 1 0.52%
Shane Prince 0 0%
Mika Zibanejad 57 29.69%
Cody Ceci 3 1.56%
Patrick Wiercioch 0 0%
Mark Borowiecki 0 0%
Andre Petersson 0 0%
Stephane Da Costa 0 0%
Jim O'Brien 1 0.52%
Jean-Gabriel Pageau 0 0%
Derek Grant 2 1.04%
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06-25-2012, 01:35 AM
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Meanwhile Zibanejad couldn't hack the top 6 on the worst team in teh SEL.
...as an 18 year old.

That said, I vote Silfverberg.

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...as an 18 year old.
That would be important if Silfverberg's potential was NOT that of a top6 forward. Zibanejad has nothing on him.

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That would be important if Silfverberg's potential was NOT that of a top6 forward. Zibanejad has nothing on him.
Skating, size, and physicality as a few examples.

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Skating, size, and physicality as a few examples.
And his physical play would give him the edge over Silfverberg if they both produce equally well at some point in the NHL.

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Zibanejad.

Im not sold on Silf as a 1st rate player but im sure he will be a top six guy.
Zibby is more ready for the NA game imo

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Silfverberg.

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SEL MVP. Youngest since Forsberg. Wins championship. Breaks Alfredsson goalscoring record in playoffs. Shows great showing in short stint in the playoffs.

Jakob Silfverberg.

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Silfverberg.

He's further along in his development I think, and in my own opinion, he and Zibby have comparable upside.

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Mark Stone

I think he's going to be a star in the NHL. Has all the tools that a 1st line winger needs, and is a hard worker. He has so many elite offensive skills, and they're contained in a 6'3, 200lbs frame. Huge upside, and I feel like he's a pretty safe bet too.

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Silf. Add Hoff (and Kramer next!)

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I voted zibbyzoo but silfverberg is the right pick at this point

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Silfverberg followed by Ceci.

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06-25-2012, 09:00 AM
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Always an interesting debate given the relative age and stage of development of the different prospects.

Obviously Silfverberg is more advanced, and likely has as high an upside as a goal scorer as any of our prospects. I'd suggest Stone is also in that conversation, but he has some decent risks given we haven't see him produce against men yet, so he likely won't be in the top 3, even though he'll have his advocates.

Meanwhile, Zibanejad has decent upside as well, but is arguably the safest bet amongst the top guys. Most in the industry see him as our top guy, if you take the THN and HF polls as an indicator.

Regardless, I can already see this going as Silfverberg, Zibanejad and Lehner as the top 3 guys most likely, followed by an interesting debate around Noesen, Stone and Ceci. No easy answers in comparing all those guys.

Those three will then be followed by a discussion around Puempel, Da Costa, Prince and perhaps Boro-copy and Weircioch will be in that conversation too.

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Hey Lehner, do you think you could post a link to last years results in the first post? I'm really interested to see how the list changes.

edit: im an idiot. Anyways, Silf will get a nice little bump up the list. Stone should have the biggest jump by far. Prince and Pageau will probably both rise quite a bit too. I guess Butler is graduated now? Good thing for him or else he would have plummeted down the list.


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I mean, the obvious choice would be Jordan Fransoo.

Tovie coming in a close but easy 2nd.


Seriously though, it's Silfverberg IMO. Lehner may have been on a bad team, and that's what hurt him, but he was too inconsistent. Zibanejad was just underwhelming/injured. Silfver just won MVP and Playoff MVP of a man's league. He should be the easy choice.

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I think, at this point, it's looking like it'll be Silf-Zbad-Lehner-Stone. Which is a hell of a top-four.

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That would be important if Silfverberg's potential was NOT that of a top6 forward. Zibanejad has nothing on him.
Actually they have very similar numbers, and you could easily give the edge to Zibanejad. You can't compare what they did just in this past year as Silfverberg is 2.5 years older.

Silfverberg (SEL stats)

16-GP 3g 1a 4pts (18 yr. old) .25 pts/gm
48-GP 8g 8a 16pts (19 yr. old) .33 pts/gm
53-GP 18g 16a 34pts (20 yr. old) .64 pts/gm

Silfverberg (WJ Stats)
6-GP 3g 2a 5pts (19 yr. old)

vs.

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26-GP 5g 4a 9pts (17 yr. old) .34 pts/gm
26-GP 5g 8a 13pts (18 yr. old) .50 pts/gm

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6-GP 4g 1a 5pts (18 yr. old)

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I think, at this point, it's looking like it'll be Silf-Zbad-Lehner-Stone. Which is a hell of a top-four.
Noesan-Prince-Puemple-Ceci-Hoffman isn't a bad 2nd tier either.

Edit: Da Costa and I guess Filatov as well.

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Actually they have very similar numbers, and you could easily give the edge to Zibanejad. You can't compare what they did just in this past year as Silfverberg is 2.5 years older.

Silfverberg (SEL stats)

16-GP 3g 1a 4pts (18 yr. old) .25 pts/gm
48-GP 8g 8a 16pts (19 yr. old) .33 pts/gm
53-GP 18g 16a 34pts (20 yr. old) .64 pts/gm

Silfverberg (WJ Stats)
6-GP 3g 2a 5pts (19 yr. old)

vs.

Zibanejad (SEL stats)

26-GP 5g 4a 9pts (17 yr. old) .34 pts/gm
26-GP 5g 8a 13pts (18 yr. old) .50 pts/gm

Zibanejad (WJ Stats)

6-GP 4g 1a 5pts (18 yr. old)
They are very different players and not really comparable in that way. Silfverberg has taken huge leaps in development over his career. I didn't see that much of an improvement for Zibanejad over the course of this year (of course, injuries were a concern) and Zibanejad also got many more minutes this year than Silfverberg got at the same age (both at ES and on the PP.)

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The top 4 are basically easy with Silfverberg, Zibanejad, Lehner and Stone topping the list. It gets really interesting after that.

I assume Bishop has played his way off this list (?) or it would be a top 5.

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lol our top-6 could be drooling material in a few years


Spezza, Turris, Michalek

And then Silfverberg, Zibanejad, Stone, Noesen, Prince, Petersson, Puempel, Da Costa, Pageau, Regin, Foligno, Butler, Filatov, Maidens, Hoffman, Baillargeon, Grant...

Who the hell will be the best 3 among all those guys?

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We should probably hold off on this till Dev camp is done with, no? I'm interested to see where guys like Boyle and Baillergeon stack up.
If we take our time, like 2-3 days for each poll, we won't be voting for "unknowns" for weeks...

Personnally, I can't log on every day but I'd to be able to vote in each poll if they last only 24 hours. It's gonna be very interesting this year

We have all summer to do this anyway, I think 48 hours for each poll would be perfect

And like you said, Hoffman needs to be added next, followed by Maidens, Blood and Grant

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Bryan Murray had to convince MacLean to let Zibby go back to Sweden. He's doing fine
Murray thinks long term while MaClean wants to win now. It tells us that Zibanejad could have helped the team to win in the coaching staff' eyes

Zibanejad had a very good WJC with the clutchiest goal you can ever score, and did fine in the SEL, considering his team, his linemates and his role. Decent production for the SEL

A lot of gained experience for Zbad last year : NHL training camp and pre-season, 9 NHL games, SEL, WJC, injuries, lot of travel

Adversity makes you stronger

That being said, I still voted Silfverberg ahead of Zibanejad

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I think, at this point, it's looking like it'll be Silf-Zbad-Lehner-Stone. Which is a hell of a top-four.
After that, I have Noesen-Ceci-Prince-Petersson-Da Costa-Puempel... which is a hell of a top-10

BTW, I see that many people still forget about Petersson, but let's remember that the Sens brass see him as one of our most talented prospects, if not the most.


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going with lehner.

his upside would have a bigger impact on this team than any prospect ever not named spezza or alfie. I think he's still got a year to go before being NHL ready though.
Lehner is NHL ready now, the issue is they don't want him as a backup watching, they want him playing.

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Actually they have very similar numbers, and you could easily give the edge to Zibanejad. You can't compare what they did just in this past year as Silfverberg is 2.5 years older.

Silfverberg (SEL stats)

16-GP 3g 1a 4pts (18 yr. old) .25 pts/gm
48-GP 8g 8a 16pts (19 yr. old) .33 pts/gm
53-GP 18g 16a 34pts (20 yr. old) .64 pts/gm

Silfverberg (WJ Stats)
6-GP 3g 2a 5pts (19 yr. old)

vs.

Zibanejad (SEL stats)

26-GP 5g 4a 9pts (17 yr. old) .34 pts/gm
26-GP 5g 8a 13pts (18 yr. old) .50 pts/gm

Zibanejad (WJ Stats)

6-GP 4g 1a 5pts (18 yr. old)
This is no guarantee that Zibanejad will rise to the heights that Silfverberg has reached.

I remember people arguing that Brandon Bochenski could end up like Zach Parise by using similar arguments.

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