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06-25-2012, 12:41 AM
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If you need the cap space, please just take him for "future considerations".

We'll add a 7th.
Sorry, we just flat out don't want him on our roster, whether he's playing or not.

He can live in Colorado, that's fine by me.

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06-25-2012, 12:44 AM
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Also it must have sucked for Avs fans when in 2000 Joe Sakic left the Avs to go to Boston to win the cup because the Avs were perennial bottom feeders.
Slow down bud every team can almost say this ! but IC your angry so I guess you can rant what you want ..

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People here must not read the news?

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Thomas is attractive to teams seeking financial relief because, under the current rules, the goalie would count $5 million against the salary cap, yet the team would not need to pay his $3 million salary if he didn't play.
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It's not so much about Tim Thomas the player as it is his salary may be used to reach the cap floor for some team. If a team can use him for a cap number and not actually have to pay him salary, he becomes at least a trade-able asset. Probably not worth much more than a late round pick, but some teams could be in play.

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06-25-2012, 12:47 AM
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He can live in Colorado, that's fine by me.
Probably a wise decision, I wouldn't want to tell that guy where he can and can't live

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Still no reason for the Avs to do this.

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06-25-2012, 12:50 AM
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Flyers fan? why would you assume that..I'm actually a Bruins fan hence the reason I am talking about Thomas, you Colorado fans are a sensitive bunch.

I just don't get the Thomas hate, assuming a team knows Thomas will play and trades for him I would think any fan would be happy to give the guy a chance for a season knowing his recent accomplishments and what he did for the Bruins. Just seems like a no brainer if a team can get him for cheap
It was my mistake, I'm talking in a few threads.

We don't hate TT at all, but we are 100% set in goal for the future, so we don't need a 3rd goalie.

Look, Tim Thomas is one of the best goalies of today. But we're not about to snap our roster in half to make way for this god amongst goalies to play (which all reports indicate he doesn't even want to do)

And no wonder we're acting sensitive, you called us perennial bottom feeders which is a completely stupid statement. Columbus is a perennial bottomfeeder. Edmonton is the biggest example. But not us, please don't lump us in with them because of 2 bad seasons and 1 mediocre one in which we weren't even close to the bottom.

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It's not so much about Tim Thomas the player as it is his salary may be used to reach the cap floor for some team. If a team can use him for a cap number and not actually have to pay him salary, he becomes at least a trade-able asset. Probably not worth much more than a late round pick, but some teams could be in play.
Of course there is that angle but not so sure how this would go over with the NHL brass as far as cap circumvention rules and what team wants to explain to their fans that they are basically wasting 5 million in cap space so they don't have to bring in players to help the team cause they don't wanna pay them. Islanders would be the only team to stoop that low but who knows. I think everyone knows this taking a year off is a ploy to get out of Boston, he prob has every intention of playing next year, A guy at Thomas' age can't just take a year off and expect to return to form at the age of 40

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06-25-2012, 12:55 AM
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It was my mistake, I'm talking in a few threads.

We don't hate TT at all, but we are 100% set in goal for the future, so we don't need a 3rd goalie.

Look, Tim Thomas is one of the best goalies of today. But we're not about to snap our roster in half to make way for this god amongst goalies to play (which all reports indicate he doesn't even want to do)

And no wonder we're acting sensitive, you called us perennial bottom feeders which is a completely stupid statement. Columbus is a perennial bottomfeeder. Edmonton is the biggest example. But not us, please don't lump us in with them because of 2 bad seasons and 1 mediocre one in which we weren't even close to the bottom.
By that same logic you can't really call Edmonton a perennial bottom feeder. Every team has rebuilds, I went through a lot of crappy seasons to see a few good ones. Like I said you guys are too sensitive and Columbus is in a league of their own when it comes to bottom feeders

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Not that I want him but if we miss out in FA I could see this happening. Although Boston will be paying us to take on that contract, obviously they'll get something back, but it won't be anything great.

He's a good goalie, nobody will deny that, I'd rather have JSG to be honest.

Only way I can see this happening is something like...

Thomas and BOS 1st 2013 to CO


JSG to Boston

sounds crazy but I look at the Smyth trade similarily. Boston wants cap space, we don't need a goalie, but to take on that salary when we're paying 1/5 of that to JSG I think a 1st would be adequate compensation considering its likely a late 1st.

With that space Boston frees up room to sign a big UFA to push for another cup.

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As an Islanders fan, assuming we get over the cap without the help of TT, I would take his contract for Futures(we owe them something for taking Yury Alexandrov off their hands) with the idea that if halfway during the season he comes back we get whatever he gets on the trade market(I have a feeling come Jan he will want to play again)

It basically doesn't cost the team anything and could yield us a potential nice return(and it's not like we need that space)

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People here must not read the news?

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It's not so much about Tim Thomas the player as it is his salary may be used to reach the cap floor for some team. If a team can use him for a cap number and not actually have to pay him salary, he becomes at least a trade-able asset. Probably not worth much more than a late round pick, but some teams could be in play.
The Avs don't need a cap dump to hit the cap floor


Jamie McGinn ($2.500m) / Paul Stastny ($6.600m) / David Jones ($4.000m)
Peter Mueller ($2.500m) / Matt Duchene ($3.500m) / Milan Hejduk ($2.000m)
Gabriel Landeskog ($3.575m) / Ryan O'Reilly ($3.500m) / Steve Downie ($2.500m)
Cody McLeod ($1.150m) / Mark Olver ($0.750m) / Chuck Kobasew ($1.250m)
Brad Malone ($0.875m) /

Matt Hunwick ($1.600m) / Erik Johnson ($4.500m)
Jan Hejda ($3.250m) / Ryan O'Byrne ($1.800m)
Ryan Wilson ($1.800m) / Stefan Elliott ($0.900m)

Semyon Varlamov ($2.833m)
Jean-Sebastien Giguere ($1.250m)
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SALARY CAP: $70,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $52,633,333;
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $17,666,667

2 million to spend on a Top4 LH dman and a 4th line center, and that's being conservative on my estimations on re-signing our remaining RFAs... they'll make it, easily

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By that same logic you can't really call Edmonton a perennial bottom feeder. Every team has rebuilds, I went through a lot of crappy seasons to see a few good ones. Like I said you guys are too sensitive and Columbus is in a league of their own when it comes to bottom feeders
3 straight years of #1 overall picks is a bit worse than our situation. I'm not saying Edmonton has always been bad. They even had a finals appearance in 2006, and of course the dynasty nonsense. This isn't the point. The point is that we should not be lumped into that group because of how brief our rebuild has seemed to be

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I don't really see Colorado being a good fit for TT at all. He may live in Colo but I think it's a team out of nowhere like the Flyers, Chicago or San Jose that take a chance on him having one more great season left in the tank

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Not that I want him but if we miss out in FA I could see this happening. Although Boston will be paying us to take on that contract, obviously they'll get something back, but it won't be anything great.

He's a good goalie, nobody will deny that, I'd rather have JSG to be honest.

Only way I can see this happening is something like...

Thomas and BOS 1st 2013 to CO


JSG to Boston

sounds crazy but I look at the Smyth trade similarily. Boston wants cap space, we don't need a goalie, but to take on that salary when we're paying 1/5 of that to JSG I think a 1st would be adequate compensation considering its likely a late 1st.

With that space Boston frees up room to sign a big UFA to push for another cup.
While that is good value, I still wouldn't do it. JSG isn't planning on holding out next season, while TT might not even play (then we'd have to scramble for a backup G). And again, he's mentoring Varly, something I don't think TT would be as good at.

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haha marchand and thomas for a pick......

oh man......

how bout thomas for a pick and marchand for duchene....ya thought so

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haha marchand and thomas for a pick......

oh man......

how bout thomas for a pick and marchand for duchene....ya thought so
hahahahaha exactly! we're not taking TT off your hands so stop trying @_@

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haha marchand and thomas for a pick......

oh man......

how bout thomas for a pick and marchand for duchene....ya thought so
You need to get a new sarcasm detector.

Here it is real simple. The Avalanche are happy with Varly/Giggy. That's all you need to know.

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forget colorado, ship him to canada, unamerican twit,

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Not hard to figure out why Colorado is a perennial bottom feeder. Have fun with that..lol..
Perrenial bottom feeder? Nice troll attempt.

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Several teams have already contacted the Bruins about Thomas. Avs fans may not like it, but Colorado is likely to have been one of those teams.

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Sorry, we just flat out don't want him on our roster, whether he's playing or not.

He can live in Colorado, that's fine by me.
It doesn't matter if fans don't want him...what matters is if the managers that run Colorado want him. They'd be stupid not to kick the tires and inquire what it would take to bring him in and weigh out their options considering Colorado's situation.

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Several teams have already contacted the Bruins about Thomas. Avs fans may not like it, but Colorado is likely to have been one of those teams.
You're delusional. We have 2 signed goalies. We're not one of those teams lol

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It doesn't matter if fans don't want him...what matters is if the managers that run Colorado want him. They'd be stupid not to kick the tires and inquire what it would take to bring him in and weigh out their options considering Colorado's situation.
Considering Colorado's situation? What is Colorado's situation exactly? From a Bruins fan's perspective that is

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Hope I am wrong but I am not optimistic that the Bruins will be able to move Thomas and will just end up having to eat his 5 million cap hit.

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Not that I want him but if we miss out in FA I could see this happening. Although Boston will be paying us to take on that contract, obviously they'll get something back, but it won't be anything great.

He's a good goalie, nobody will deny that, I'd rather have JSG to be honest.

Only way I can see this happening is something like...

Thomas and BOS 1st 2013 to CO


JSG to Boston

sounds crazy but I look at the Smyth trade similarily. Boston wants cap space, we don't need a goalie, but to take on that salary when we're paying 1/5 of that to JSG I think a 1st would be adequate compensation considering its likely a late 1st.

With that space Boston frees up room to sign a big UFA to push for another cup.
Actually Boston doesn't need to move Thomas in order to make room for a UFA nor would pay someone to take his contract:

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FORWARDS
Milan Lucic ($4.083m) / David Krejci ($5.250m) / Nathan Horton ($4.000m)
Brad Marchand ($2.500m) / Patrice Bergeron ($5.000m) / Tyler Seguin ($3.550m)
Rich Peverley ($3.250m) / Chris Kelly ($3.000m) / Jordan Caron ($1.100m)
Daniel Paille ($1.300m) / Gregory Campbell ($1.600m) / Shawn Thornton ($1.100m)
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$1.3M in cap space and placing Savard on LTIR, would give us $5.3M, which would be enough for another top 6 forward.

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