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06-25-2012, 03:10 PM
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If this deal happens, as a longtimer Oiler fan, I really hope it's something like the Michalek deal, that is, Hjalmarsson (whom I like!) to the Oil for middling prospect (Kyle Bigos), 3rd round pick and AHL add-on (Cameron Abney or Tanner House).

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06-25-2012, 03:18 PM
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I bet you didnt watch Smid last year if you are comparing him to Hjalmarsson ..
I have not seen much of Hjalmarsson but he would have to be a legit top pairing player to be better then Smid.

Just from his stats he seems like Gilbert v2.0 minus some offense
as a Jets van living in Vancouver...i watch a lot of Oiler games. Smid is a no.4 guy. Same as Hammer..but Hammer's simply better. Neither guy puts up points...they are both defensive...Smid hits more..but if i had to use one of them to shut down an offensive line (neither would be my first choice, but IF) then i'd def go with Hammer.

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06-25-2012, 03:21 PM
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If Hammer is being said to be better than Smid, than as an Oiler fan I REALLY hope we can get this guy. Even if he is comparable to Smid it would be a great pick up for the Oilers.

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06-25-2012, 03:25 PM
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If Hammer is being said to be better than Smid, than as an Oiler fan I REALLY hope we can get this guy. Even if he is comparable to Smid it would be a great pick up for the Oilers.
Anyone who claims that Hjalmarsson is better than Smid can't tell **** from good chocolate. This fella is lost when it comes to analyzing a defensive game.

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06-25-2012, 03:28 PM
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I bet you didnt watch Smid last year if you are comparing him to Hjalmarsson ..
I have not seen much of Hjalmarsson but he would have to be a legit top pairing player to be better then Smid.

Just from his stats he seems like Gilbert v2.0 minus some offense
Hjalmarsson had less then 50 hits in the 2011-12 and 2010-11 and Smid was in the top 20 hits and top 10 for blocked shots. Hjalmarsson is a softer version of Gilbert, even Gilbert out hit him and that was Gilbert's big fault in Edmonton.

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06-25-2012, 03:45 PM
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Hjalmarsson had less then 50 hits in the 2011-12 and 2010-11 and Smid was in the top 20 hits and top 10 for blocked shots. Hjalmarsson is a softer version of Gilbert, even Gilbert out hit him and that was Gilbert's big fault in Edmonton.
I take it you have never watched Hammer play at all. It seems that all you are going by in a stat sheet. Hammer is slightly better D-man then Smid, D is a lot more then just stats. Hammer is a far better skater and a better positional D-man. Hammer plays like a lot of Swedish D men and that based off strong skating position and decision making.

Are you also going to say that Smid is better at D then Lidstrom (and just so you know I am not saying Hammer is Lidstrom level at D)? The two stats you keep bring up to say Smid is better then Hammer would then also mean he should be much better then Lids as well. Thing is that Hammer and Smid play a completely different style of D which is why you can't just look at hits and blocked shots.

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06-25-2012, 03:46 PM
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If this deal happens, as a longtimer Oiler fan, I really hope it's something like the Michalek deal, that is, Hjalmarsson (whom I like!) to the Oil for middling prospect (Kyle Bigos), 3rd round pick and AHL add-on (Cameron Abney or Tanner House).
You guys are dealing with Bowman. You aren't getting hosed.

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06-25-2012, 03:49 PM
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I take it you have never watched Hammer play at all. It seems that all you are going by in a stat sheet. Hammer is slightly better D-man then Smid, D is a lot more then just stats. Hammer is a far better skater and a better positional D-man. Hammer plays like a lot of Swedish D men and that based off strong skating position and decision making.

Are you also going to say that Smid is better at D then Lidstrom (and just so you know I am not saying Hammer is Lidstrom level at D)? The two stats you keep bring up to say Smid is better then Hammer would then also mean he should be much better then Lids as well. Thing is that Hammer and Smid play a completely different style of D which is why you can't just look at hits and blocked shots.
I agree with this and I really don't like the Hawks.
Hjalmarsson is a positional Dman. These guys last longer and dont eastily get out of position by trying to throw a big hit

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06-25-2012, 03:51 PM
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You guys are dealing with Bowman. You aren't getting hosed.
Yep just like the Wild's GM or Caps GM totally dominated him in the Leddy and Brouwer deals

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06-25-2012, 03:55 PM
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I take it you have never watched Hammer play at all. It seems that all you are going by in a stat sheet. Hammer is slightly better D-man then Smid, D is a lot more then just stats. Hammer is a far better skater and a better positional D-man. Hammer plays like a lot of Swedish D men and that based off strong skating position and decision making.

Are you also going to say that Smid is better at D then Lidstrom (and just so you know I am not saying Hammer is Lidstrom level at D)? The two stats you keep bring up to say Smid is better then Hammer would then also mean he should be much better then Lids as well. Thing is that Hammer and Smid play a completely different style of D which is why you can't just look at hits and blocked shots.
Its not really about watching Hammer play... It is about watching Smid play last year and knowing how good he is. I dont buy the "far better skater + better positional" part. Smid is excellent at both and was Edmonton's best overall Dman by a large margin.
You can talk up 'Hammer' all you want but unless we are getting someone in the range of M.Staal, Yandle or Tyutin we know we are not getting someone better then Smid.

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06-25-2012, 03:58 PM
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MPS and 2013 1st? I just really don't like MPS or Gagner
Hammer isn't worth a 2013 1st. That draft is deep beyond belief. And I doubt anything gets done with Gagner as the centerpiece, I'm sure the Oil are higher on him (specifically his upside) than Chicago is. Edmonton would probably be wanting Hammer + for Gagner.

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I take it you have never watched Hammer play at all. It seems that all you are going by in a stat sheet. Hammer is slightly better D-man then Smid, D is a lot more then just stats. Hammer is a far better skater and a better positional D-man. Hammer plays like a lot of Swedish D men and that based off strong skating position and decision making.

Are you also going to say that Smid is better at D then Lidstrom (and just so you know I am not saying Hammer is Lidstrom level at D)? The two stats you keep bring up to say Smid is better then Hammer would then also mean he should be much better then Lids as well. Thing is that Hammer and Smid play a completely different style of D which is why you can't just look at hits and blocked shots.
Are you trying to say that Smid is only better on a stat sheet? Because Smid's value comes from every area that can't be seen on a stat sheet. His offensive totals are abismal actually.

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im sure gagner is involved

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06-25-2012, 04:04 PM
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I hate the Oilers and I hate the Hawks. I hate them equally.
Hjalmarsson IS better than Smid ...and a bit better than Schultz imo.

No one overrates players like EDM fans do on here. If guys like Smid Schultz Petry Gagner were as good as oiler fans think they are...then they wouldnt have picked 1ST overall 3 years in a row HAHAHAH


In response to the trade offer made a few posts up.
Hjalmarsson < Gagner + MPS
Hawks would have to add something....nothing substantial..but they'd have to add...maybe a 2nd? or frolik? not sure.
I don't think this guy really understands how hockey works. The Oilers picking first three years in a row means that two guys who weren't even full time Oilers until this year are bad players? And one who had a break out season couldn't have, because the Oilers still picked first overall? Give your head a shake kid.

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The Hawks defensive system pretty much tells d-men NOT to go for big hits, so honestly I wouldn't look at hits as an indicator of willingness to battle. My only issue is that I wouldn't thought he would've delivered a little more of an offensive game, but he hasn't really so far...but I guess if you're behind Keith and Seabrook, it's hard to get really good opportunities. He's not soft by any means and will block shots like a mofo, so I actually think the OP has a solid deal. But like I've said in other posts, I'd really only do this if the Hawks win the Suter sweeps.

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im sure gagner is involved
Agree.. The Kane connection, CHI needing a #2C and this being the year of reunions, (Schenns, Staals) Gagner should be in the talks.

EDM fans are hoping it to be Gagner+ for Hammer + McNeill
CHI fans are hoping it to be Hammer+ for Gagner + MPS

A straight across swap should help both clubs

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Gagner, potter and paajarvi for McNeill and hammer.

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Gagner, potter and paajarvi for McNeill and hammer.
No from Edmonton, too much.

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Agree.. The Kane connection, CHI needing a #2C and this being the year of reunions, (Schenns, Staals) Gagner should be in the talks.

EDM fans are hoping it to be Gagner+ for Hammer + McNeill
CHI fans are hoping it to be Hammer+ for Gagner + MPS

A straight across swap should help both clubs
How exactly does trading for small C who isn't any good at faceoffs (The Hawks biggest issue up the middle) going to help Hawks?

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Gagner, potter and paajarvi for McNeill and hammer.
yeah there's no way we'll dealing McNeill in a trade for Gagner as the best player coming back.

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Gagner, potter and paajarvi for McNeill and hammer.
Hawks get ripped off

A subpar C , A #6/7 dman and a struggling wing prospect (Hawks have enough wing prospects as well in system) for one of our better C prospects and a top 4 dman

No thanks

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MPS and 2013 1st? I just really don't like MPS or Gagner
Edmonton would never do this.

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I'd do Hammer for Gagner straight up.

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The oilers will be stupid to give up on mps unless he is in a package for an A grade top 2 Dman. The oilers have 3,4,5 types already.

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MPS + 2nd/3rd next year for Hjalmarsson sounds like a deal I would really like

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