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06-25-2012, 05:41 PM
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LOL I love the "do you watch hockey" people. GMs aren't perfect, they make mistakes. JVR was signed to a huge contract, was injured this year and hasn't lived up to anything yet. Philly needs to get better on the back end, if Holmgren likes Schenn that doesn't mean he's a sure fire player, it means one guy or one staff likes him.

This is the same GM that traded away Carter and Richards cause they "couldn't win with guys like that."
Wait, if Schenn is a #6/7 how does Philly improve on the back end?

Schenn was the Leafs best Dman before last year, and his coach was Ron Wilson...and ppl ***** about Q.

The GM was right when he said they couldn't win with Richards and Carter, because they didnt. Holmgren did get great value back in those deals, so I would say he knows a lot about how good players can/will be.

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Wait, if Schenn is a #6/7 how does Philly improve on the back end?

Schenn was the Leafs best Dman before last year, and his coach was Ron Wilson...and ppl ***** about Q.

The GM was right when he said they couldn't win with Richards and Carter, because they didnt. Holmgren did get great value back in those deals, so I would say he knows a lot about how good players can/will be.
Schenn was awful with puck (Turnovers) , Awful with positioning and just downright awful vs any forward (His skating is horrid he is a pylon)

None of that falls on Wilson (And he was benched by Caryle as well)

Schenn was 7th in ATOI for Leaf dmen

He has been up and down all his career so far and being Leafs best dman in 10-11 is not saying much ,, They were horrid team

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Wait, if Schenn is a #6/7 how does Philly improve on the back end?
From a purely hockey standpoint... they don't. But he brings hitting. If you can keep him away from the enemy top lines, he can punish some people.

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06-25-2012, 09:49 PM
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Schenn was awful with puck (Turnovers) , Awful with positioning and just downright awful vs any forward (His skating is horrid he is a pylon)

None of that falls on Wilson (And he was benched by Caryle as well)

Schenn was 7th in ATOI for Leaf dmen

He has been up and down all his career so far and being Leafs best dman in 10-11 is not saying much ,, They were horrid team
Hammer was terrible all year this year..and only played more mins than he should of because Q lost his mind.

But I guess as a 21 y o he won't get much better.

I know you aren't a fan of him so i'll take your opinion with a grain of salt.

He was a good dman last year because he can be a good dman. He was better last year than Hammer has ever been.

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06-26-2012, 12:49 AM
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Hammer was terrible all year this year..and only played more mins than he should of because Q lost his mind.

But I guess as a 21 y o he won't get much better.

I know you aren't a fan of him so i'll take your opinion with a grain of salt.

He was a good dman last year because he can be a good dman. He was better last year than Hammer has ever been.
When our coaches are afraid to play Hjamarsson vs 4th lines like we have seen both Wilson/Caryle this past year get back to me

Hammer > Schenn

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Speaking of terrible dmen

Cam Barker not tendered an offer by Oilers ,, Becomes UFA

Probably drawing near end of line for Cam ,, Not even the worst team in NHL wants him

A two-way contract isn't out of the question this offseason

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I'll admit I was dead wrong about Barker. I thought that dynamite season was his breakout. Instead it's just an anomaly and that turd is going to have a hard time staying in the league.

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Take the ten seconds to laugh your ass off. Skip to the :50 mark. Your stomach will hurt after watching Barker's fail.


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Speaking of terrible dmen

Cam Barker not tendered an offer by Oilers ,, Becomes UFA

Probably drawing near end of line for Cam ,, Not even the worst team in NHL wants him

A two-way contract isn't out of the question this offseason
even if leddy never really develops past where he is now, we STILL made out like bandits in that trade.

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Funny ,, Pavelec hasn't been anything close to worth that contract so far but people are loving it
he's a great young netminder and a good #1 goalie. I'd kill to have him with that contract

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06-26-2012, 10:12 AM
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When our coaches are afraid to play Hjamarsson vs 4th lines like we have seen both Wilson/Caryle this past year get back to me

Hammer > Schenn
What are you talking about?

Aside from last year, which I have already said was a terrible year for Schenn, he was playing against the other teams best players on a nightly basis. He then signed a big contract and never played the same..sounds like someone we know..(Hammer)

Look at Drew Doughty, signed a big contract and played like garbage for most of the year. It happens.

And if I was the Chicago coaching staff, I would of benched Hjalmarsson plenty of times, and wouldn't want him starting if we had other capable Dmen that could take his place, which we didn't.

Hammer has done **** all since he signed that contract, and is a liability almost everytime he's on the ice.
Even though he was slightly better than Schenn this past year, Schenn is projected to be a lot better than Hammer, and is what...4 or 5 years younger?

Give me Schenn over Hammer any day of the week. No team will trade a JVR type player for Hammer, ever.

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06-26-2012, 10:22 AM
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This is just one of the worst player analysis posts I've ever read on this site, just about everything you said was just very misguided.

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Rumor going around the interwebs that Haviland's one of the frontrunners for the Capitals head coach gig.

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Rumor going around the interwebs that Haviland's one of the frontrunners for the Capitals head coach gig.
Rumor has been around for a couple weeks

Him and Oates are the front runners apparantly

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Havi strikes out again

For someone so highly regarded accourding to sources ,, He has yet to get that elusive NHL HC gig

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boo-urns... was pulling for him.

Guess his only shot left this year is either Edmonton, who I've actually heard nothing about, another assistant coaching gig, or to go back down to the AHL.

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This is just one of the worst player analysis posts I've ever read on this site, just about everything you said was just very misguided.
I didn't analize any player. Unless calling a player crappy or good is analizing in your world.

Schenn was better than Hammer has ever been, last year (10-11), and is only 21. He hits a ton, get's the odd point here and there, and battles well in front of his own net.

Hammer was terrible last year, and not a whole lot better than Schenn. He doesn't hit, doesn't get points, doesn't rush the puck up the ice well at all and sucks out front of his own net.

There is a reason GM's value Schenn far more than they value Hammer. It's because his 'upside' is far greater than Hammers, and they are about the same player right now but one player is 5? years younger.

Time will prove me right.

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Havi strikes out again

For someone so highly regarded accourding to sources ,, He has yet to get that elusive NHL HC gig
I really think he only get's interviewed because of that ring on his finger.

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Havi is always only the 2nd option...

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According to CBC...Bure, Sakic, Oates and Sundin made it to HHOF.

No Shanahan?

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Aside from last year, which I have already said was a terrible year for Schenn, he was playing against the other teams best players on a nightly basis.
And he was LOSING to them. He was quickly moved away from them. Then he started losing to the second and third lines. Eventually he was being kept away from virtually anyone.

Because he is a BAD defenseman.

But he can hit.

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Havi strikes out again

For someone so highly regarded accourding to sources ,, He has yet to get that elusive NHL HC gig
He might luck into one of NJ's new assistant vacancies, but I really think it's back to the AHL (or even Europe) for Havi

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And he was LOSING to them. He was quickly moved away from them. Then he started losing to the second and third lines. Eventually he was being kept away from virtually anyone.

Because he is a BAD defenseman.

But he can hit.
I was talking about 2010-11 in that statment

In 2010-11..he was the most used Dman on Toronto.
Was their top PK guy
Was 12th in the league in blocked shots
Was 8th in the league in hits

And no GM would trade a JVR type player for Hammer, because he doesn't have the potential, and really isn't any better than Schenn while being in his prime..and Schenn having the best yet to come.

Why?
Because he is a good Dman who had a rough year.

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You are just so misguided on this issue except for value of the trade.

Hammer didn't even close to suck this year, his positional play was probably the best of his career. He still hasn't engaged physically or used his offensive tool set the way we'd like but it's clear to see he is becoming more confident with the NA game imo. Factor in the fact that every partner he played with this year was awful defensively.

Schenn just is an awful d man. Sucks at skating, awful positioning, and constantly makes bad reads. He has potential but will never reach it due to his skating, Hammer actually is a good skater so I think the chances he reaches his potential is much greater.

The trade was about two players who have potential and are struggling were swapped for needs. Toronto needs top 6 help, the Flyers need D help. Both players signed big contracts and then sucked.

Not that complex, you just have no idea for player evaluation.

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I was talking about 2010-11 in that statment

In 2010-11..he was the most used Dman on Toronto.
They had one of the worst defenses in the league.

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They had one of the worst PKs in the league.

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Was 8th in the league in hits
Yes I give you those. But here's what you don't seem to get. Yeah, especially early on in the year they used him in that season in those roles. But the thing is, he FAILED at them. By the end of the year he wasn't doing any of that anymore because he COULDN'T. Before he got into the league people had no idea how bad his hockey IQ was because he wasn't playing against NHL caliber opposition.

He's not a "good defenseman who had a bad year". He's a bad defenseman who got exposed.

But he can hit.

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