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06-25-2012, 12:22 AM
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Carle didn't lead the league in turnovers. 25th among defenders alone with 55. 42nd among all skaters. Carle is going to turn the puck over more because he controls it so much and is also logging big time minutes. Whether he should be playing those minutes is another story.

Do you have anything positive to say about the Flyers. One thing? Ever?

yeah carle gone, i dont want him here, other than that, the whole team is better without him, mab plays better than carle, at least he hits, when was the last time carle ever hits?

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06-25-2012, 12:23 AM
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yeah carle gone, i dont want him here, other than that, the whole team is better without him, mab plays better than carle, at least he hits, when was the last time carle ever hits?
And how often does Kimmo hit? You don't have to hit everything that moves to be a good player. Carle is a durable reliable puck moving d-man we need.

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06-25-2012, 12:31 AM
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yeah carle gone, i dont want him here, other than that, the whole team is better without him, mab plays better than carle, at least he hits, when was the last time carle ever hits?
MAB is not better then Carle. That is just an asinine statement. MAB I feel isn't even a NHL defender. He could be a good 6th or 7th dman in the future, but his foot speed hurts him terribly. He can get beat wide extremely easily, unlike Carle who is an above average skater.

Really saying hitting is the reason MAB is better than Carle? Hitting can also take a defender way out of position. Carle does not play that type of game. Kimmo only had 13 more hits than Carle, so do you want to get ride of him because he doesn't hit?

If MAB is better please please explain why Carle was playing 23:01 a night while Bourdon was playing 16:11 a night. I think Bourdon should not even been playing those minutes. Injuries really depleted our back end when pronger went down.

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06-25-2012, 12:41 AM
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What are people's thoughts on Latendresse? Wild are not qualifying him, but still want to resign him for less. Are his injuries and concussion issues finally behind him?

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06-25-2012, 08:56 AM
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And how often does Kimmo hit? You don't have to hit everything that moves to be a good player. Carle is a durable reliable puck moving d-man we need.
Old-man Timonen actually outhit Carle (68 vs 55) in fewer games (76 vs 82).

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06-25-2012, 10:49 AM
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What are people's thoughts on Latendresse? Wild are not qualifying him, but still want to resign him for less. Are his injuries and concussion issues finally behind him?
I'm not sure exactly where he fits. The way I see it, the top 9 is currently occupied by: Giroux, Voracek, Read, Hartnell, Simmonds, Schenn, Couturier, Briere, and a 9th forward TBD. That 9th forward would ideally be a guy of higher level to take Jagr's place on the first line, and I don't think Latendresse is that guy. However, if the Flyers decide to trade one of the above guys in order to acquire that TBD guy, I would be fine with signing Latendresse and putting him on the 3rd line to replace a traded player. He fits Lavy's mold of big guy that can hit a bit and skate, but his defensive abilities leave a bit to be desired.

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06-25-2012, 10:55 AM
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Just in case anyone was wondering the offer sheet compensation.

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$1,110,249 or below - No Compensation

Over $1,110,249 to $1,682,194 - 3rd round pick

Over $1,682,194 to $3,364,391 - 2nd round pick

Over $3,364,391 to $5,046,585 - 1st round pick, 3rd

Over $5,046,585 to $6,728,781 - 1st round pick, 2nd, 3rd

Over $6,728,781 To $8,410,976 - Two 1st Round Picks, 2nd, 3rd

Over $8,410,976 - Four 1st Round Picks
Not to shabby. Also let's begin the wild speculation about Weber offer sheet!

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06-25-2012, 11:12 AM
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Offer sheet of 100.75 for 12 years is 2 first, 2nd, 3rd.
No it's not. I believe if the deal is over 7 years, then the number divided by the total salary number to decide compensation(not cap number) is 7, even if it's a 10 year deal. So, the compensation for that deal would be 4 first round picks.

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06-25-2012, 11:18 AM
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No it's not. I believe if the deal is over 7 years, then the number divided by the total salary number to decide compensation(not cap number) is 7, even if it's a 10 year deal. So, the compensation for that deal would be 4 first round picks.
I was mistaken then, thank you

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06-25-2012, 11:31 AM
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From Weber's view, there is no reason to sign an offer sheet. If he signs and Nashville matches he has to stay.

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What are people's thoughts on Latendresse? Wild are not qualifying him, but still want to resign him for less. Are his injuries and concussion issues finally behind him?
I wouldn't mind him if he's healthy, I think he could be a pretty decent fit together with Giroux.

Another reclamation project to consider could perhaps be Gilbert Brulé. I think he's in the same spot with the Coyotes, they won't qualify him but might still look to re-sign him. He's had a few rough years, but he seemed like he had turned the corner when he was called up this season. He didn't post great number or anything like that, but he hustled pretty good in the games I saw.

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06-25-2012, 04:02 PM
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What ever happened to Oskars Bartulis? They signed him to a three year contract and then waived him. Will he ever be up with the big team again?

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06-25-2012, 04:51 PM
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Chuck Scwhartz
.@TSNBobMcKenzie just listed TOR, VAN, EDM, PHI, and NYR as top landing spots for Schultz on NHL Live. Same 5 favorites that I have listed.

https://twitter.com/UWChuckSchwartz/...73387155189760

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06-25-2012, 04:52 PM
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Chuck Scwhartz
.@TSNBobMcKenzie just listed TOR, VAN, EDM, PHI, and NYR as top landing spots for Schultz on NHL Live. Same 5 favorites that I have listed.

https://twitter.com/UWChuckSchwartz/...73387155189760

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I made a thread for this just now. I figured with us being said one of the favorites, this will garner a lot of attention.

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06-25-2012, 05:22 PM
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offersheet Weber 1yr, 6.5mil

(if he signs it)
option 1: Nashville matches
This means that on July 1st, 2013 Weber is an UFA and can sign wherever he likes. Also, Nashville cannot trade his rights during the regular season.

option 2: Nashville does NOT match.
We get Weber for a year, and he can resign after! This would be insanity.
(we pay a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd)

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06-25-2012, 05:37 PM
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offersheet Weber 1yr, 6.5mil

(if he signs it)
option 1: Nashville matches
This means that on July 1st, 2013 Weber is an UFA and can sign wherever he likes. Also, Nashville cannot trade his rights during the regular season.

option 2: Nashville does NOT match.
We get Weber for a year, and he can resign after! This would be insanity.
(we pay a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd)
Why would Weber sign that offer sheet?

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06-25-2012, 07:05 PM
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Why would Weber sign that offer sheet?
$6.5 million is a lot of money, I mean it's not like he could get $7.5 in arbitration. Wait...

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Why would Weber sign that offer sheet?
To force a 1yr deal

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06-25-2012, 07:17 PM
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To force a 1yr deal
He can already do that through not accepting the QO and going to arbitration on a one year deal that will be worth more than $6.5 million.

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06-25-2012, 09:21 PM
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He can already do that through not accepting the QO and going to arbitration on a one year deal that will be worth more than $6.5 million.
But that doesn't give him the chance to play elsewhere THIS year.
If he signs that offersheet, theres a legit chance Nashville doesnt match (if they do, he walks for free)

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06-25-2012, 09:23 PM
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But that doesn't give him the chance to play elsewhere THIS year.
If he signs that offersheet, theres a legit chance Nashville doesnt match (if they do, he walks for free)
no, NSH definitely matches

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06-25-2012, 09:32 PM
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Why do these guys want out of Nashville? From what I understand it is actually a pretty good hockey city and I thought the team was on the upswing financial-wise with the ability to pay some loot. Not to mention they have been competitive recently.

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Could you imagine?

Schenn-Giroux-Ryan
Hartnell-Briere-Read
Simmonds-Couturier-Wellwood
Rinaldo/Sestito-UFA C-Talbot

Coburn-Weber
Schenn-Timonen
Grossman-Lilja/Gustafsson/Bourdon

Obviously, if we're offer sheeting weber we wouldn't have the first likely needed to get ryan, but man... I can dream. We'd even STILL have enough space to maybe sign a guy like Semin.

Semin-Giroux-Ryan
Hartnell-Briere-Schenn
Simmonds-Couturier-Read
Rinaldo/Sestito-Holmstrom-Talbot

Coburn-Weber
Schenn-Timonen
Grossmann-Gustafasson/Bourdon
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Outside of getting a true #1 D (ex. Weber), why are people willing to part with Mezsaros, Read, 1rst round pics or other assets for top 6 forwards? I really don't get it at all. It is completely ridiculous IMO.

Read has one of the best contracts in the league. Mezsaros was the Barry Ashbee winner two seasons ago and is young. We complain about prospects in the system, but as soon as a big name forward is available for a trade we are willing to trade pics and young players?

No to Nash. No to Ryan. No to trading any D that doesn't involve creating space for a No. 1.

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Outside of getting a true #1 D (ex. Weber), why are people willing to part with Mezsaros, Read, 1rst round pics or other assets for top 6 forwards? I really don't get it at all. It is completely ridiculous IMO.

Read has one of the best contracts in the league. Mezsaros was the Barry Ashbee winner two seasons ago and is young. We complain about prospects in the system, but as soon as a big name forward is available for a trade we are willing to trade pics and young players?

No to Nash. No to Ryan. No to trading any D that doesn't involve creating space for a No. 1.
I tend to agree to this. If we are getting a top 6 forward I want a F/A no more moving assets just to move assets.

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