HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Western Conference > Pacific Division > Edmonton Oilers
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

All Encompassing Draft Day Thread Part IV | Pursuing Diet Coke Machines

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
06-25-2012, 02:23 PM
  #376
Pennertration
Registered User
 
Pennertration's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Calgary
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,489
vCash: 500
I always find it hilarious when people get overly passionate about current draft picks considering:

1) Most hockey followers have seen very little of most of the prospects selected (maybe they saw a handful of players live in a handful of games, ie, Oil Kings prospects or maybe they've watched YouTube highlight packages).

2) Most fans are relying on various scouting reports based on other people's observations (which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it gives you a limited perspective).

3) You won't know for 5 years (maybe two or three if you're lucky) what the great picks and the junk picks were

4) Even for prospects that don't work out, organizations can do everything right in selecting and developing them but run into bad luck (injuries, etc)

Anyway, I think the Oilers made the right pick with Yakupov. I would have preferred Thrower with the 2nd pick, but really, I don't know that much about him. All the other picks, I don't really have much of an opinion on. Just hope they work out.

I also thought that the Flames pick looks really bad right now - but that can change. Time will tell.

Pennertration is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-25-2012, 02:45 PM
  #377
Section337
HFBoards Sponsor
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Edmonton, AB
Posts: 4,216
vCash: 500
Is there such a thing as the best player available after about the 5th, 10th, 15th guy? It does not take long until you are hoping that something you see will translate to an NHL'r is 3 or 4 years.

Section337 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-25-2012, 03:03 PM
  #378
misfit
Moderator
 
misfit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: just north of...everything
Posts: 15,575
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Section337 View Post
Is there such a thing as the best player available after about the 5th, 10th, 15th guy? It does not take long until you are hoping that something you see will translate to an NHL'r is 3 or 4 years.
There's always such a thing as the best player available.

__________________
If you are offended by this post, it's probably because you're ugly.
misfit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-25-2012, 03:08 PM
  #379
Panda Bear
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 599
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
You missed the point. By having a specific "lets get this kind of player with these specific attributes" the oilers once again avoid simply taking the bpa at most picks. The second pick being an absolute joke. May as well have given the pick away. This is not an org that has the credibility to go outside the box.

Also as I mentioned this is an org that devaluated hard to play against players, got rid of them, and have determined ever since that they need them. bringing in an unending collection of idiots like Eager to try to fill a hole they once had filled.
I'd rather the organization strive towards a balanced prospect pool rather than one without balance.

I'm willing to trust Stu's insight on players like Moroz. It can always be argued that the organization felt that it always took the best player available. We'll see what happens next year.

Quote:
Originally Posted by dnicks17 View Post
Hmm? McCarron was the biggest guy we drafted at 6'2'' 225lbs.

Sounds like he can skate too and he put up good freshman numbers.
I was meaning to imply that McCarron may not have the package of size, skating and skill. I could easily be wrong given that I know sweet all about the player other than some quips that I've read.

Panda Bear is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-25-2012, 03:08 PM
  #380
Section337
HFBoards Sponsor
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Edmonton, AB
Posts: 4,216
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by misfit View Post
There's always such a thing as the best player available.
Theoretically true. In the moment possible. But from a practical and longer term stand point (which is the measurement most guys outside the top 5) I have very little faith in the concept of the best player available.

It's why scouting is such a weird endeavour, you don't really know how much they are hurting or helping you until 4 or 5 years later.


Last edited by Section337: 06-25-2012 at 03:14 PM.
Section337 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-25-2012, 04:00 PM
  #381
GatoradeG*
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,420
vCash: 500
I'm starting to warm up to the picks. At first I thought that they were horrible. We'll see what happens in the future. It's too bad they couldn't pick up a goalie but Bunz looks pretty solid. Prospects are prospects so we just have to wait XD For all we know Jankowski might become the next Gretzky.

GatoradeG* is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-25-2012, 04:17 PM
  #382
Narnia
HFBoards Sponsor
 
Narnia's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Surrey, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 14,394
vCash: 500
Send a message via MSN to Narnia
Now Don Cherry is at it. Here's some quotes from Don Cherry via Twitter.

Don Cherry ‏@CoachsCornerCBC
8 out of the top 10 draft picks played in the CHL. 8 of the top 10 were D but the team that needs a defenceman the most took Yakupov


Don Cherry ‏@CoachsCornerCBC
I wonder if one day the Oilers might regret not taking Ryan Murray


What's this love affair with Murray.

__________________
"He just ate up Robyn Regehr for dinner, a spectacular play by Hemsky, and Robyn Regehr has got doo doo all over his face" - Rod Phillips call on Hemsky's goal vs the Flames
Narnia is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-25-2012, 04:19 PM
  #383
Seedling
Fan level 7?
 
Seedling's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Canada
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,510
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by GatoradeG View Post
I'm starting to warm up to the picks. At first I thought that they were horrible. We'll see what happens in the future. It's too bad they couldn't pick up a goalie but Bunz looks pretty solid. Prospects are prospects so we just have to wait XD For all we know Jankowski might become the next Gretzky.
1. Anger
2. Acceptance

You skipped lots of the grieving process.

Seedling is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-25-2012, 04:19 PM
  #384
Johnny Bravo
1st overall again
 
Johnny Bravo's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Game on
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,351
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Narnia View Post
Now Don Cherry is at it. Here's some quotes from Don Cherry via Twitter.

Don Cherry ‏@CoachsCornerCBC
8 out of the top 10 draft picks played in the CHL. 8 of the top 10 were D but the team that needs a defenceman the most took Yakupov


Don Cherry ‏@CoachsCornerCBC
I wonder if one day the Oilers might regret not taking Ryan Murray


What's this love affair with Murray.
He hates Russians. Nothing new here.

Johnny Bravo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-25-2012, 04:21 PM
  #385
CornKicker
Locked Out
 
CornKicker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Country: Canada
Posts: 6,435
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by GatoradeG View Post
I'm starting to warm up to the picks. At first I thought that they were horrible. We'll see what happens in the future. It's too bad they couldn't pick up a goalie but Bunz looks pretty solid. Prospects are prospects so we just have to wait XD For all we know Jankowski might become the next Gretzky.
maybe but history implies that most if not all great players to come out of the CHL were at least drafted by a CHL team. lol that dude has bust written all over him

CornKicker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-25-2012, 04:22 PM
  #386
Jimmi Jenkins
Always the Bards
 
Jimmi Jenkins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Alberta
Country: Canada
Posts: 38,451
vCash: 612
Quote:
Originally Posted by Narnia View Post
Now Don Cherry is at it. Here's some quotes from Don Cherry via Twitter.

Don Cherry ‏@CoachsCornerCBC
8 out of the top 10 draft picks played in the CHL. 8 of the top 10 were D but the team that needs a defenceman the most took Yakupov


Don Cherry ‏@CoachsCornerCBC
I wonder if one day the Oilers might regret not taking Ryan Murray


What's this love affair with Murray.
A crazy out of touch old man who's more then a littel xenophobic.

The Oilers need NHL defense, not defense prospects. What they need is more elite players, Yakupov is the only one of those in this draft.

Jimmi Jenkins is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-25-2012, 04:23 PM
  #387
T-Funk
Registered User
 
T-Funk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 8,972
vCash: 1020
Ovechkin #1
Malkin #2
Cam Barker #3

No Don Cherry we will not regret not taking Ryan Murray 1st overall you idiot

T-Funk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-25-2012, 04:34 PM
  #388
Skm
Registered User
 
Skm's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Edmonton
Posts: 2,361
vCash: 1551
Quote:
Originally Posted by T-Funk View Post
Ovechkin #1
Malkin #2
Cam Barker #3

No Don Cherry we will not regret not taking Ryan Murray 1st overall you idiot
Hey at least he doesn't wear a visor!

Oh wait...he does.

Skm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-25-2012, 08:03 PM
  #389
oilfansixtynine
schulebsyakhallnuge
 
oilfansixtynine's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: bla bla land
Country: Canada
Posts: 625
vCash: 793
Send a message via MSN to oilfansixtynine
Anyone know if the draft video is archived somewhere?

oilfansixtynine is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-25-2012, 08:10 PM
  #390
oilersfan11
Registered User
 
oilersfan11's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 11,270
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by T-Funk View Post
Ovechkin #1
Malkin #2
Cam Barker #3

No Don Cherry we will not regret not taking Ryan Murray 1st overall you idiot


There is only one d-man that I would have selected over Yakupov had this defenceman been in the draft.

Seth Jones!


I wonder if it's too early to suggest that he may be a Alex Pietrangelo or Drew Doughty in the future.


Last edited by oilersfan11: 06-25-2012 at 08:15 PM.
oilersfan11 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-25-2012, 08:12 PM
  #391
Grod
The New Era Lives On
 
Grod's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Edmonton
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,429
vCash: 500
Don Cherry is an ignorant racist. It's been well documented over the years.

Grod is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-25-2012, 08:22 PM
  #392
Groucho
Tier 1 Fan
 
Groucho's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Displaced
Country: Canada
Posts: 6,619
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Narnia View Post
Now Don Cherry is at it. Here's some quotes from Don Cherry via Twitter.

Don Cherry ‏@CoachsCornerCBC
8 out of the top 10 draft picks played in the CHL. 8 of the top 10 were D but the team that needs a defenceman the most took Yakupov


Don Cherry ‏@CoachsCornerCBC
I wonder if one day the Oilers might regret not taking Ryan Murray


What's this love affair with Murray.
You're really surprised that Don Cherry has a problem with a Russian player being taken first overall over a Canadian?

Groucho is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-25-2012, 08:25 PM
  #393
Groucho
Tier 1 Fan
 
Groucho's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Displaced
Country: Canada
Posts: 6,619
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by GatoradeG View Post
I'm starting to warm up to the picks. At first I thought that they were horrible. We'll see what happens in the future. It's too bad they couldn't pick up a goalie but Bunz looks pretty solid. Prospects are prospects so we just have to wait XD For all we know Jankowski might become the next Gretzky.
The way CalgaryPuck is talking about Jankowski ... oh man.... he'll be the best 1C in the league....

They are all loving his size and silky mitts ... I can't help but think that this kid was playing against the lowest tier competition possible. High school kids not playing in the CHL...

Yikes...

Groucho is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-25-2012, 08:25 PM
  #394
Narnia
HFBoards Sponsor
 
Narnia's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Surrey, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 14,394
vCash: 500
Send a message via MSN to Narnia
Quote:
Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
You're really surprised that Don Cherry has a problem with a Russian player being taken first overall over a Canadian?
Not really. It's just that he thinks the Oilers will regret not taking Murray. Didn't he also criticize Ovi on HNIC on Coach's Corner as well.

Narnia is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-25-2012, 08:31 PM
  #395
Qrispy
Registered User
 
Qrispy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 3,248
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Narnia View Post
Now Don Cherry is at it. Here's some quotes from Don Cherry via Twitter.

Don Cherry ‏@CoachsCornerCBC
8 out of the top 10 draft picks played in the CHL. 8 of the top 10 were D but the team that needs a defenceman the most took Yakupov


Don Cherry ‏@CoachsCornerCBC
I wonder if one day the Oilers might regret not taking Ryan Murray


What's this love affair with Murray.
He's a good Canadian boy.

Qrispy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-25-2012, 09:07 PM
  #396
oilersfan11
Registered User
 
oilersfan11's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 11,270
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boco View Post
He's a good Canadian boy.

Just because he's Canadian doesn't mean you should all of a sudden get picked first overall.


Nail Yakupov is the better player now and in the future.

oilersfan11 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-25-2012, 09:43 PM
  #397
SK13
Mo'Linguish
 
SK13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Edmonton
Country: Canada
Posts: 23,958
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by oilersfan11 View Post
Just because he's Canadian doesn't mean you should all of a sudden get picked first overall.


Nail Yakupov is the better player now and in the future.
Hey bro, can I borrow your time machine?

The hatchet job some fans have done on Ryan Murray is truly an amazing display of dogmatic thinking.

He's arguably the best defenseman prospect in the draft since Victor Hedman.

SK13 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-25-2012, 09:56 PM
  #398
Jimmi Jenkins
Always the Bards
 
Jimmi Jenkins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Alberta
Country: Canada
Posts: 38,451
vCash: 612
Quote:
Originally Posted by SK13 View Post
Hey bro, can I borrow your time machine?

The hatchet job some fans have done on Ryan Murray is truly an amazing display of dogmatic thinking.

He's arguably the best defenseman prospect in the draft since Victor Hedman.
He's not though, he's only arguably the best defenseman in his draft year.

Jimmi Jenkins is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-25-2012, 09:58 PM
  #399
frag2
Registered User
 
frag2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,395
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by SK13 View Post
Hey bro, can I borrow your time machine?

The hatchet job some fans have done on Ryan Murray is truly an amazing display of dogmatic thinking.

He's arguably the safest defenseman prospect in the draft since Victor Hedman.
ftfy


Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmi Jenkins View Post
He's not though, he's only arguably the best defenseman in his draft year.
and even that is questionable

frag2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
06-25-2012, 10:46 PM
  #400
SK13
Mo'Linguish
 
SK13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Edmonton
Country: Canada
Posts: 23,958
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimmi Jenkins View Post
He's not though, he's only arguably the best defenseman in his draft year.
The term "arguably" makes this type of objective statement impossible

Ryan Murray was better at 16 than Adam Larsson at 17. Larsson objectively had no more of an impressive offensive toolkit. This "safe" thing is an invention of fans who were so desperate to create a universal opinion that does not exist.

Three of the teams who picked top-5 did not have Nail Yakupov first overall.

Quote:
Originally Posted by frag2 View Post
ftfy
Please.

Quote:
and even that is questionable
Everything is questionable.

SK13 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:18 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.