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Sens Board Prospect Rankings 2012 (1st)

View Poll Results: Vote for our #1 Prospect!
Robin Lehner 19 9.90%
Stefan Noesen 2 1.04%
Jakob Silfverberg 101 52.60%
Mark Stone 6 3.13%
Matt Puempel 1 0.52%
Shane Prince 0 0%
Mika Zibanejad 57 29.69%
Cody Ceci 3 1.56%
Patrick Wiercioch 0 0%
Mark Borowiecki 0 0%
Andre Petersson 0 0%
Stephane Da Costa 0 0%
Jim O'Brien 1 0.52%
Jean-Gabriel Pageau 0 0%
Derek Grant 2 1.04%
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06-25-2012, 02:05 PM
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That would probably be because he's the better prospect...
Also because it's only the first round....

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Ceci already with more votes than Puempel/Noeson/Prince combined. Shows the honeymoon phase is a short one.
Why would Prince or Puempel even be considered at this spot in the rankings? Noesen has less exposure than Ceci to the Ottawa fanbase while Ceci was taken higher and generally thought of as a top 10 guy in this draft. Not hard to see why people are considering him for the 1st spot on the list, especially when he's more of a known quantity around here.

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06-25-2012, 02:12 PM
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This is not speculation?
One is identified as speculation "...I would be shocked if..." while the other isn't "...for sure he would..."

There's a difference. I'm just saying that to this point Zibanejad has not shown to be some kind of world beater prospect. Does he have a lot of potential? Yes, but he hasn't blown anyone away with his accomplishments yet. Everyone is in love with his tools, but we've seen a million toolsy players never reach what a lot of fans expected of them. Meanwhile we have another prospect that has gone above and beyond expectations and that should be recognized.

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BTW, I see that many people still forget about Petersson, but let's remember that the Sens brass see him as one of our most talented prospects, if not the most.
Petersson's a bigger boom/bust guy than Silfv, Zibby, Stone, and arguably Lehner. He's not forgotten, he's just a bigger question mark.

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I'm surprised how little love Stone gets. This guy will make the roster this year. His hockey IQ is insane, his hands are unbelievable and he has the most important commodity GMs look for in forwards: goal scoring instincts. He just knows where to go on the ice and how to position himself. His release, timing and shooting mechanics are ridiculously good. And he's got the size and strength to stay balanced while shooting. Once his skating gets to be above average (which it will) he's basically the prototypical forward you could want.
He's a below average skater, and I think he'll be in the AHL next year to improve it. Otherwise I'd have him in the mix for our best prospect.

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I chose Silfverberg based on what he did in the SEL this year.

Next will be tough as i chose between Stone and Lehner.

I can vote for Zibanejad on the Columbus boards

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Went with Silf but close on Zibby and Noesen.

Excited to see someone take Grant. Would love to see him earn a spot.

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06-25-2012, 02:38 PM
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Is this based on potential or current development?

If its potential Zibanejad or Lehner should be first. If its current development than Silfverbeg wins out.

IMO Zibanejad maxes out as a Kopitar type player, while Silfverberg tops out as a Louie Eriksson.

Meanwhile Lehner could be a franchise goalie.

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Is this based on potential or current development?

If its potential Zibanejad or Lehner should be first. If its current development than Silfverbeg wins out.

IMO Zibanejad maxes out as a Kopitar type player, while Silfverberg tops out as a Louie Eriksson.

Meanwhile Lehner could be a franchise goalie.
I would imagine it's based on a combination of top end potential and likelihood of reaching it. However, everyone has their own way of ranking their prospects so it's purely subjective.

I go by top end plus likelihood of making it there.

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06-25-2012, 02:50 PM
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the results are not going to change. start the next poll?

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06-25-2012, 03:18 PM
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the results are not going to change. start the next poll?
The 1st one will be 48 hours to vote, after that only 24.

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Some interesting arguments re Silfverberg. On one hand, we have several players ahead of where Silfverberg was at teh same age, but then on the other hand, Silfverberg developed so much between the ages of 19 and 21, it's hard to compare him as a 19 year old, because his development was meteoric after that, and we can hardly expect Zibanejad, Stone or Noesen to develop like that over the next two years.

I still think Silfverberg is higher risk than either Noesen or Zibanejad (Stone too). But I think Stone and Silvferberg might have better offensive potential, in particular as goal scorers (although all four have top line potential IMO).

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I think it's close and you're not going to go wrong with Zibanejad, Silfverberg or Lehner, but I really think Zibanejad will have the biggest impact at the NHL level.

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Zibby. I would say Silf, but Runt broke my heart.

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I had to vote Ceci even if I don't think he's #1. He's my favourite prospect consarn it!

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Very different players. On top of this there's still no guarantee that Cowen will be viewed as the better player 5 years down the line -- Rundblad is going to have a bit of a steep learning curve in the NHL because of his style of play. Silfverberg is a bit different because he is already someone that is a bit more of a gritty player (not physical though.) Even in the NHL games that he was in for you could see flashes of what made him the best player outside of the NHL last year.

Stone was OK in his call up, but aside from the pass that Spezza scored on he wasn't really noticeable. But as was said...it's not even about who will do better this year; it's about who will ultimately be better. My bet is on Silfverberg.
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I don't see anyway that Rundblad ever becomes a better player than Cowen. Rundblad may have better offensive skills and creativity than Cowen but he can barely play defence.

I would argue that Stone's offence IQ, positioning and ability to have the versatility to play Sniper, playmaker or power forward makes him the superior prospect to Silfverberg.
I agree. Cowen will be a stud for us in the very near future. Yes he made mistakes, as most rookies do, but the man was a beast in the playoffs.

Oh, and Silfverberg gets the nod as most NHL ready prospect.


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The statement that Mark Stones' skating will become better than average is one of the funniest things I've ever read on this site. The lack of votes for Stone has nothing to do with his not being Swedish and everything to do with his skating.

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Uhhh, Silfverberg was inserted into the lineup for games 6 and 7 of a playoff series.

Meanwhile Zibanejad couldn't hack the top 6 on the worst team in teh SEL.
You can't be serious... If MZ were healthy, there's no doubt he'd have gotten a shot too, just as Stone did.

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You can't be serious... If MZ were healthy, there's no doubt he'd have gotten a shot too, just as Stone did.
What is your opinion based on?

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I'm betting Noesen isn't in the top 5 - I probably have him 5 or 6 myself - and that's insane. Insane in that he's a great looking prospect and we have 5 others that appear as good or better. Crazy depth right now. We even have some pretty darned good prospects after him too.

Good times in the Ottawa Senators organization.

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Is this based on potential or current development?

If its potential Zibanejad or Lehner should be first. If its current development than Silfverbeg wins out.

IMO Zibanejad maxes out as a Kopitar type player, while Silfverberg tops out as a Louie Eriksson.

Meanwhile Lehner could be a franchise goalie.
I just want to pipe in here and say that if I had to trade for one of those guys, I'd pick Eriksson over Kopitar 10 out of 10 times.

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The statement that Mark Stones' skating will become better than average is one of the funniest things I've ever read on this site. The lack of votes for Stone has nothing to do with his not being Swedish and everything to do with his skating.
Since it's so ridiculous to you, I would love to know why you think he won't become an above average skater.

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I'm betting Noesen isn't in the top 5 - I probably have him 5 or 6 myself - and that's insane. Insane in that he's a great looking prospect and we have 5 others that appear as good or better. Crazy depth right now. We even have some pretty darned good prospects after him too.

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Yup it is indeed insane. To have a guy that was drafted 15th, but in our own top 5 likely the number 4-5 prospect is unreal. Noesen as well, he is my favorite prospect, I can't rightfully slot him ahead of the Swedes and Ceci.

Like you said, great time to be a Sens fan. How anyone can say that trading two prospects plus a pick and a player would ruin the farm is beyond me.

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