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06-25-2012, 09:50 PM
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Just to make it clear...

Stubbs mocking the "insiders" that are saying Kovy & Bergevin met today. Kovalev left for Russia yesterday = Impossible

Right? Lol I had to re-read it 4-5 times to understand it
Zach Parise goes by the nickname "Kovy"?

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06-25-2012, 09:52 PM
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I think Whitney makes us an instant division contender. Maybe not a Stanley Cup contender, but definitely good enough to win a playoff spot. Giving Plekanec a guy like him would let him focus on goal scoring instead of trying to set up people all night.

Pleks is a much more complete center than most. He's a jack of all trades. But I don't feel his playmaking is top notch enough to not have playmaking help on his line.
Why would Whitney ever come to Montreal? He's 40, so either he's

a) Having fun playing hockey in a no pressure environment or

b) Wants to win another Cup

There is no chance of him coming.

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06-25-2012, 09:57 PM
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Why would Whitney ever come to Montreal? He's 40, so either he's

a) Having fun playing hockey in a no pressure environment or

b) Wants to win another Cup

There is no chance of him coming.
Figure out what you think other teams will offer him.

Add 20% to it.

On a 1 year deal who the hell cares how much he makes? Hell, give him Gomez' cap hit after you tell Gomez to enjoy playing for the Alaska Aces in the ECHL.

The cap space will be there.

Maybe Whitney wants to feel the rush of skating out on the ice and having 21,273 people cheering for you like you've never been cheered before. Outside of one season in Detroit he's played in absolutely pathetic markets his entire career.

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06-25-2012, 10:17 PM
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Something like this would be great.
Did you read that article about Semin?
http://hockeyanalysis.com/2012/06/15...ed-free-agent/
I hadn't seen it. I'm actualy surprised his even-strength points only dropped off a little with the decreased ice-time and much worse linemates. Put him in 2nd-tough matchups and 1st-unit PP time and the guy probably approaches at least 65 points again.

I'm not a fan at all of using goals for WOWY though. I took a look at Desharnais' WOWYthe other day looking at shot attempts and there were only 7 guys with over 100 events this past season with Desrhanais. Going with goals and you might getting down to single-digit events for guys who had the 4th-most minutes played with a guy or less.
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Carle is really not that good of a d-man. Go to the flyers board an see what they have to say about him.

I know you always have to be wary about putting too much stock into what a fan base has to say about a player of theirs, be it high praise or immense disdain...but across the board he's seen as a pretty average d-man.

And I've never once been impressed by him. And in a pathetic market he'll probably come close to 5 years and 5 per year.

Gross
The Flyers fans here seem to like him a bit: http://www.broadstreethockey.com/201...ee-agency-2012

Carle's bad rap is a lot like everybody saying Subban was bad early in this past season - he's made some mistakes and a few more of them have resulted in goals against than would be normal. He only played 2nd-pairing minutes during the season but he was stellar in possession metrics, only had 0.3 hits/game less than Suter, and only gave the puck away 0.2 times/game more than Suter.

I'm not as positive as that article because Carle was only getting 2nd-tough matchups during the season though he may have taken 1st-tough later on because he spent at least one game in the playoffs from what I can find paired with Timmonen. He's the 2nd-best defenseman available on the free agent market and if the Habs got him for a contract similar to what they gave Hamrlik, if not a bit higher because of inflation, they would be doing well.


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Why would Whitney ever come to Montreal? He's 40, so either he's

a) Having fun playing hockey in a no pressure environment or

b) Wants to win another Cup

There is no chance of him coming.
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Figure out what you think other teams will offer him.

Add 20% to it.

On a 1 year deal who the hell cares how much he makes? Hell, give him Gomez' cap hit after you tell Gomez to enjoy playing for the Alaska Aces in the ECHL.

The cap space will be there.

Maybe Whitney wants to feel the rush of skating out on the ice and having 21,273 people cheering for you like you've never been cheered before. Outside of one season in Detroit he's played in absolutely pathetic markets his entire career.

This. With Pacioretty and Desharnais on bargain contracts the Habs can afford to overpay on a 1-year deal or two if: 1) they get rid of Gomez and/or Kaberle 2) they strike out on big free-agent targets. If the Oilers continue to low-ball Ryan Smyth he's another potential target for that, if he's willing to play outside of Alberta (which is doubtful).


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06-25-2012, 10:26 PM
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I would take Peter Mueller in a second. That kid is freaking amazing. If we can get him over his injuries he'd be an absolute steal.
Same.

I'd target McClement first. If he has no interest here, I'd offer the same type of contract to Mueller.

XXX (Whitney?) - Plekanec - Gionta
Pacioretty - Desharnais - Cole
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Why would Whitney ever come to Montreal? He's 40, so either he's

a) Having fun playing hockey in a no pressure environment or

b) Wants to win another Cup

There is no chance of him coming.
Maybe he'd like to play in his home country for more than 9 games?

Either way, I know it would be hard to convince him to come here, which is why I'd offer him $4.5M-$5M on a 1-2 year deal.

Money talks.

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06-25-2012, 10:28 PM
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Figure out what you think other teams will offer him.

Add 20% to it.

On a 1 year deal who the hell cares how much he makes? Hell, give him Gomez' cap hit after you tell Gomez to enjoy playing for the Alaska Aces in the ECHL.

The cap space will be there.

Maybe Whitney wants to feel the rush of skating out on the ice and having 21,273 people cheering for you like you've never been cheered before. Outside of one season in Detroit he's played in absolutely pathetic markets his entire career.
Or he has a wife that loves their house and neighborhood, and kids that love their school and friends. I would say that's an even stronger possibility given his age.

He's not 28 looking to make a few extra bucks. He's 40, he's made his money.

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Or he has a wife that loves their house and neighborhood, and kids that love their school and friends. I would say that's an even stronger possibility given his age.

He's not 28 looking to make a few extra bucks. He's 40, he's made his money.
Yup, get up on your soap box to tell us all how well you know Ray Whitney and how sure you are of what he'll do next season




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06-25-2012, 10:34 PM
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Or he has a wife that loves their house and neighborhood, and kids that love their school and friends. I would say that's an even stronger possibility given his age.

He's not 28 looking to make a few extra bucks. He's 40, he's made his money.
He just moved from Carolina to Phoenix a few years ago, which is like 30-40 hours apart.

There are lots of players who play elsewhere then where their family is. Brad Stuart, for example, has played for Detroit for how long? His family never left the San Jose area.

Look at an MLB player like Jamie Moyer. He's happily married, has a bazillion kids, and he's moving all over the globe to find a job in the Major Leagues.

Your post is such speculation unless you have cold hard facts.

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06-25-2012, 10:39 PM
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Peter Mueller will not receive a qualifying offer and is set to be a free agent. Injury riddled the last few years but a big body that can put up pts and mostly goals. Should the habs go for it?
Thats interesting. Mueller was hyped to become a great powerforward not long ago, its worth a shot.

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06-25-2012, 10:40 PM
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Thats interesting. Mueller was hyped to become a great powerforward not long ago, its worth a shot.
He's still amazing defensively. Like incredible.

I'd wager they still want to sign him, just not for the $2.75M qualifying offer (or whatever it is) with the injury problems.

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Yup, get up on your soap box to tell us all how well you know Ray Whitney and how sure you are of what he'll do next season



It's about keeping the dream alive
Just ask Dr. Recchi

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Thoughts on signing someone like Filip Kuba. 6'3, 225 lb dman

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Thoughts on signing someone like Filip Kuba. 6'3, 225 lb dman
My friend is a Sens fan and he keeps telling me Kuba plays like he's 5'11 180 pounds.

Pass, give me Bryan Allen!

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Thoughts on signing someone like Filip Kuba. 6'3, 225 lb dman
If the moneys right and the contract doesnt interfere with beaulieu/tinordi/ellis future

something like 3 years or something, or does it become another spacek debacle?

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06-25-2012, 11:14 PM
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How about Hal Gil for one year in a limited role as a PK specialist. Great leadership skills, knows the team, and has great chemistry with kids like Subban. Plus I think he likes playing in Montreal.

Trade him at the deadline for a 2nd if we're out of the playoff hunt.

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06-25-2012, 11:21 PM
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Am I right if I say that our needs on the UFA market are, in order :

1- A top six winger with offensive upside
Candidates :
- Parise
- Parenteau
- Whitney
- Jagr
- Mueller
- O. Jokinen
- Penner
- Samuelsson

I'd prefer to sign someone long term so I think Parise and Parenteau are our top priorities.

2- A veteran defenseman, very good defensively, to play around 15-17 minutes and on PK (#5)
Candidates :
- B. Salvador
- F. Bouillon
- H. Gill
- S. Hannan
- S. O'Brien
- B. Allen
- B. Clark
- M. Jurcina

3- One or 2 depth forwards, who will see most of their icetime on the 4th line but who can fill a spot once in a while on other lines. Hopefully can bring some toughness too.
Candidates :
- Moen
- Darche
- Staubitz
- Prust
- Gaustad
- Pyatt
- Bernier
- Torrey Mitchell (Greenfield Park native)
- McClement
- Burish
- S. Gionta

4- Veteran players for Hamilton who can be called up in case of injuries :
Suggestions :
- Gragnani
- Gervais

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06-25-2012, 11:28 PM
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I really don't think we sign a D since the club really likes Emelin and Diaz, and Markov, Subban, Gorges, and Kaberle are signed. Maybe a Paul Mara #6-#7 type.

Resign Moen and Staubitz for the bottom 6.

Top 6 is another question though, think we do have to add a guy.

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I really don't think we sign a D since the club really likes Emelin and Diaz, and Markov, Subban, Gorges, and Kaberle are signed. Maybe a Paul Mara #6-#7 type.
I think Hannan could be the new Mara, or a Mara-Gill hybrid. Bottom pairing vet who can log minutes.

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Thoughts on signing someone like Filip Kuba. 6'3, 225 lb dman
I wouldn't be against it. He is solid although not my favourite, his size doesn't matter that much because he isn't super physical (I am a sens fan and had no idea he was that tall). Still, a D-man like him who can play top 4 and contribute on offense and defense would be worth picking up if the price is right.

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All I know is that other than Parise or Suter miraculously being swayed by the charm of Marc Bergevin not a single UFA should get more than 2 years. 1 would be preferrable even.

Which is why I like the idea of a guy like Jagr, or overpaying Penner a bit on a 2 year deal.

Or throwing the moon at Whitney for a year.

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Or throwing the moon at Whitney for a year.
I love that idea. There are no bad 1-year contracts.

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Haven't been following the Justin Schultz saga much.. But asides of the fact that we are a Canadian team, is there any chance he comes and signs with us July 1st? I know Bergevin said they had interest, but that's like me saying I think a girl is cute.

Do you guys think he actually has a legit chance of him signing with MTL? Or is it most likely VAN-TOR-OTT-WPG?

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Looks to be Vancouver. BC Family and a contender.

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You need to give Knuble WAY more respect than that .There is a reason he's played over 1000 games.
Even if Darche is willing to take a 3 way contract, Knuble is way better NO DEBATE /
You are right. This is why you don't replace Darche by Knuble, it makes no sense, they're both cast in different roles.

It's like saying lets replace Ryan White by Jagr.


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Taylor Pyatt
Paul Gaustad
Bryan Allen
Torrey Mitchell
Mikael Samuelsson
Peter Mueller
Cory Sarich
Shane O'Brien

There are the guys I see us going after.

Samuelsson even though older, he could be a key guy to play 3rd line minutes and see Top6 in case of injuries.

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