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06-25-2012, 10:32 AM
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They've made it very clear that they're going to do what's best for the player. That might mean a year-ish at Vermont before they sign him.
I can see them wanting Rolston to get his hands on him as soon as possible.

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06-25-2012, 10:48 AM
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He also said they may decide this week where he's going to play next year: Vermont, Rochester, or Kelowna.
Devine didn't say Kelowna, he said Canadian Hockey League. Maybe I'm reading too much into that, but I think it means his CHL rights will be traded if they decide that juniors is best for him. Kelowna doesn't have much choice if Girgensons won't play there.

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I'm just amazed that once again a player that I wanted so bad ends up being the target of the organization.

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Devine didn't say Kelowna, he said Canadian Hockey League. Maybe I'm reading too much into that, but I think it means his CHL rights will be traded if they decide that juniors is best for him. Kelowna doesn't have much choice if Girgensons won't play there.
I dont think there's a chance Girgensens comes to Kelowna. If Darcy wants him to play major junior than we'll have to trade him. Hamilton did a piss poor job on this situation.

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06-25-2012, 11:45 AM
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Devine said Girgensons' performance at the WJC sold them on him in his day-one interview.

I would have been awfully upset if they took Teravainen over Girgensons. He's a good prospect but big, physical centers with scoring upside were an organizational need both short-term and long-term.

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He also mentioned in his post-draft media scrum that they had a deal worked out for #14 earlier in the week but didn't pull the trigger until they knew Girgensons was going to be there. He said that what really caught their attention was the shot-block in the Latvia-Russia game at the WJC's as an outstanding moment, a character moment, that had them sold on his leadership.

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Thats funny, at the draft Devine said they had Teravaninen (sp) rated higher but after they got the skill in Grigs they wanted to get the sandpaper in Girgs.

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06-25-2012, 01:15 PM
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Here is my question, can a player like Girgensons be traded across different CHL leagues? To my knowledge the only time those teams ever trade is during the CHL import draft. Chain posted an article in the main Girgensons thread about the Quebec Ramparts having interest in him. I have to believe that if there is a way that the Sabres could get Girgensons on the same team to play with Grigorenko they would be estatic. Is there any possibility of something like this happening?

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I believe that he can start the season in the AHL and be sent to the CHL at any time. But, once he goes to the CHL, the usual NHL or CHL rules apply.

I think that happened with another team's prospect a few years ago with someone drafted out of the NCAA, IIRC.
John Carlson was drafted out of the USHL, then went to the CHL for one season, then the AHL (at age 19). Because he was not drafted out of the CHL, the CHL/AHL agreement did not apply.

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06-25-2012, 03:12 PM
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So what are the chances of Zemgus Girgensons playing for #Amerks in upcoming season: "50/50," said Kevin Devine, dir. of amateur scouting.

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But according to everyone here, scouts don't even look at WJC performances...
No, they don't base everything off of WJC performances and if a player performs well against players that are so much older, it's notable.
However, a bad or subpar performance will not kill their draft stock.

No need to be a ******.

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I don't have the exact quote or remember which interview it was from, but an interesting comment from Darcy was something like "Girgensons is going to be ready earlier than people think too." IIRC, he was being asked about Grigorenko and threw that little nugget in without being asked. Either he thinks he can make the team(probably not) or he at least wants him in Rochester so he can be called up as early as next season.

Its too early to make that decision but its in his mind, IMO.

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So what are the chances of Zemgus Girgensons playing for #Amerks in upcoming season: "50/50," said Kevin Devine, dir. of amateur scouting.
The plot thickens

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Was this years draft considered 'deep' by the experts? I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around #12 and #14 picks being NHL ready.

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So what are the chances of Zemgus Girgensons playing for #Amerks in upcoming season: "50/50," said Kevin Devine, dir. of amateur scouting.
Well now...

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Was this years draft considered 'deep' by the experts? I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around #12 and #14 picks being NHL ready.
No, it was not considered deep in NHL ready talent.

Grigs and Girgs probably aren't NHL ready now, but 13-14 doesn't seem out of the question.

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So what are the chances of Zemgus Girgensons playing for #Amerks in upcoming season: "50/50," said Kevin Devine, dir. of amateur scouting.
Could they be leaving it up to Girgensons?

If it's 50/50, the Sabres' brass is the half that want him playing under Rolston in the AHL. The other half is Girgensons, who is committed to UVM to play for the Catamounts next season.

Or is that simplifying it too much?

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Could they be leaving it up to Girgensons?

If it's 50/50, the Sabres' brass is the half that want him playing under Rolston in the AHL. The other half is Girgensons, who is committed to UVM to play for the Catamounts next season.

Or is that simplifying it too much?
That could be how it is.

Or it could be simply the case that Girgensons hasn;t thought about other options prior to the draft. Now that he has a team, the AHL may be a more viable option.

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Could they be leaving it up to Girgensons?

If it's 50/50, the Sabres' brass is the half that want him playing under Rolston in the AHL. The other half is Girgensons, who is committed to UVM to play for the Catamounts next season.

Or is that simplifying it too much?
While speculation, that certainly sounds like sound speculation. Otherwise it seems a bit weird to say "50/50"... unless they mean 50% chance in Rochester and 50% in Buffalo

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Why are so many here seemingly okay with putting him in the AHL?
It's not necessarily a good idea just because the organization is thinking about it.

If I'm GM, I tell him you're either going to UVM or you're playing in the WHL and I'd prefer that you play in the Dub.
If you do, you'll get over $100,000, $90,000 of which will be on the spot, and you'll have a chance to make the NHL as a 19 year old.
If you go to UVM, you'll probably have to ride the bus in the AHL at some point after you hit the rookie wall.

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Could they be leaving it up to Girgensons?

If it's 50/50, the Sabres' brass is the half that want him playing under Rolston in the AHL. The other half is Girgensons, who is committed to UVM to play for the Catamounts next season.

Or is that simplifying it too much?
It could be that... it also could just be something that people say.

Right now, if someone asked me if I was moving back to Savannah or Columbus, GA next summer, I'd say "50/50 chance." I've got no real way of quantifying that, or any logic behind it either. Just something that people say.

Hopefully someone will ask Devine a follow-up question to clarify.

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Why are so many here seemingly okay with putting him in the AHL?
It's not necessarily a good idea just because the organization is thinking about it.

If I'm GM, I tell him you're either going to UVM or you're playing in the WHL and I'd prefer that you play in the Dub.
If you do, you'll get over $100,000, $90,000 of which will be on the spot, and you'll have a chance to make the NHL as a 19 year old.
If you go to UVM, you'll probably have to ride the bus in the AHL at some point after you hit the rookie wall.
I thought I was ****ing crazy for thinking exactly as above. I see zero benefit in Vermont, sorry.

Just was unsure if he could do a one-and-done in the CHL. That would be my personal preference. Get him a year at that level and take it from there. So what if he needs two. There's no way he jumps from Catamount directly to Sabre. So Vermont, even for a year, delays his NHL debut by two years minimum.

There's a part of me that wants him under Rolston. McCabe again, too, after hearing the kid interview. Mature beyond his years for sure.

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I thought I was ****ing crazy for thinking exactly as above. I see zero benefit in Vermont, sorry.

Just was unsure if he could do a one-and-done in the CHL. That would be my personal preference. Get him a year at that level and take it from there. So what if he needs two. There's no way he jumps from Catamount directly to Sabre. So Vermont, even for a year, delays his NHL debut by two years minimum.

There's a part of me that wants him under Rolston. McCabe again, too, after hearing the kid interview. Mature beyond his years for sure.
He can one-and-done Kelowna or any other WHL team (if he goes that route) because he wasn't drafted out of the CHL and thus isn't subject to the CHL-NHL agreement.
If he didn't make the Sabres at 19, they could send him back to the WHL or down to the AHL and would be able to call him up at any time.
They'd get a couple free development years too, as his contract wouldn't count at 18 or 19 unless he played ten NHL games in a season.

I think he could jump to the NHL after one season in college, but players usually hit a wall because they just aren't used to the grind of the NHL season.
He's not going to be doing anything of note in the post-season with Vermont, so he'd be playing about half as many games as if he played in the WHL.
Plus, he'd have a chance to go much further in the post-season, as Kelowna is not only one of the best programs in the WHL, but in the whole CHL.

He really has nothing to accomplish at Vermont as he doesn't have glaring weaknesses.
He needs to gain back the weight that he lost after having his jaw wired shut, but that can be done in the WHL.
The biggest things for him are focusing on the offensive and physical side of his game, adjusting to the speed of the game in a league that plays more of a pro style, and playing lots of games.
Vermont really fulfills none of those.

I want nothing to do with him in the AHL.
Teenagers don't belong there and there aren't many cases to compare to, but the most recent cases are guys like D'Amigo, Filatov, Morin, Pirri, and Tatar.
None of them have had any impact in NHL and were probably better off staying in college or juniors.
Teams are under the impression that AHL > CHL or NCAA just because there are older players, but the AHL doesn't have the expertise or resources that the other two have to correctly handle teenagers.

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Why are so many here seemingly okay with putting him in the AHL?
It's not necessarily a good idea just because the organization is thinking about it.

If I'm GM, I tell him you're either going to UVM or you're playing in the WHL and I'd prefer that you play in the Dub.
If you do, you'll get over $100,000, $90,000 of which will be on the spot, and you'll have a chance to make the NHL as a 19 year old.
If you go to UVM, you'll probably have to ride the bus in the AHL at some point after you hit the rookie wall.
You seem to have an aversion to the AHL and it's kind of strange. I've noticed on several occasions you want prospects to avoid the league. The reality is I'm sure the Sabres value getting one of their top prospects to the development coach of their choice asap. And judging by Devine's comments its obviously something they probably want.

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You seem to have an aversion to the AHL and it's kind of strange. I've noticed on several occasions you want prospects to avoid the league. The reality is I'm sure the Sabres value getting one of their top prospects to the development coach of their choice asap. And judging by Devine's comments its obviously something they probably want.
Ryan Huska coaching Girgensons in a league full of his peers > Ron Rolston coaching Girgensons in a league full of old journeymen.

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