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06-25-2012, 09:27 PM
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Now that J. Staal is officially a 2C, in think it's safe to say that Bolland is the best 3C in the league, if not top 3.
Not unless he starts winning more faceoffs.

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06-25-2012, 09:28 PM
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Apparently, Peter Mueller will become a UFA. How would you feel about signing him? Has a record of being injured but could be a decent 2nd line winger if Saad needs some minor league time.
Hell no. Total fruit basket. Stay away, far away.

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If some odd reason the Hawks do not acquire any depth (possibility with Stan) I want Beach out there. That is provided he doesn't suck at camp. Better to see what we got than some scrub from another team.

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06-25-2012, 10:08 PM
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No thanks to the Count of Monte Cristo.

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Take a look at Olli Jokinen possibly?

I can't believe I just typed that but he has turned it around with Calgary a bit, hasn't he?

He would be a nice fill-in for 2 years while our (potential) 2nd line centre(s) groom.

We still need to address our defense though so maybe Bryan Allen?

Frolik would NEED to be moved for cap space.



Sharp Toews Kane
Saad Jokinen Hossa
Stalberg Bolland Shaw
Carcillo Kruger Bollig/Bickell/Mayers

Keith Seabrook
Hjalmarsson Oduya
Leddy Allen

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06-25-2012, 11:12 PM
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Jesse Rogers has said he believes Hawks are interested in Meszaros from Philly.

Not sure what It would take to get him? Stalberg and a 1st? Hjalmarsson+?

No clue aha

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06-25-2012, 11:16 PM
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Has Jesse Rogers ever broke a story?

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06-26-2012, 12:36 AM
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That’s a cool graphic that illustrates Bolland’s tough role as shutdown 3C. But don't miss the fact the other part of the graphic in blue that highlights their relative effectiveness in their role (rel Corsi.) The chart clearly states that Bolland was not especially effective in his role even adjusted for starting position, quality of competition and line mates.

Ignore that it if you want, but that chart is hardy an endorsement for Bolland's play last year. In fact hated guys like Kruger and Stalberg look great on the chart. So if you use it, use it fairly.

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06-26-2012, 12:40 AM
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Sharp/Toews/Stalberg
Jagr/Kane/Hossa
Shaw/Bolland/Saad
Bickell/Kruger/Smith

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06-26-2012, 12:43 AM
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I hate the guy, but Shane Doan would be a nice top-six winger for us.

Doan-Toews-Kane
Saad-Sharp-Hossa
Stalberg-Bolland-Shaw
Carcillo-Kruger-Mayers/Hayes
Mayers/Hayes, Bollig

I would sign him for maybe up to three years and at around $4.5 million per. We could still make a run at Suter.

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06-26-2012, 12:47 AM
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Thatís a cool graphic that illustrates Bollandís tough role as shutdown 3C. But don't miss the fact the other part of the graphic in blue that highlights their relative effectiveness in their role (rel Corsi.) The chart clearly states that Bolland was not especially effective in his role even adjusted for starting position, quality of competition and line mates.

Ignore that it if you want, but that chart is hardy an endorsement for Bolland's play last year. In fact hated guys like Kruger and Stalberg look great on the chart. So if you use it, use it fairly.
Kruger probably looks good because he played a lot with Hossa and Sharp. Hossa tends to have the puck a lot creating more offense than the other team gets. All the Hawks actually look good on that chart. Remember that's for 5 on 5. Hawks are a good team but their special teams needs to be a lot better. It was a disaster.

26th ranked Powerplay
27th ranked Penalty Kill

Ultimately outscored 42-51 PP-PK. We're 11th in Powerplay chances and 29th in times short handed which is very good and yet we failed miserably to take advantage of it. No excuse for a team with as much as talent as the Hawks to be so bad on special teams. That falls on the coaching staff.

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06-26-2012, 12:54 AM
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Jesse Rogers is a joke. Probably on McDouche's personal payroll and only on it to say good things about the Hawks and management.

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06-26-2012, 01:42 AM
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Right!
Thatís a cool graphic that illustrates Bollandís tough role as shutdown 3C. But don't miss the fact the other part of the graphic in blue that highlights their relative effectiveness in their role (rel Corsi.) The chart clearly states that Bolland was not especially effective in his role even adjusted for starting position, quality of competition and line mates.

Ignore that it if you want, but that chart is hardy an endorsement for Bolland's play last year. In fact hated guys like Kruger and Stalberg look great on the chart. So if you use it, use it fairly.
Of course Bolland has a very big white circle, it's based upon attempted shots, not actual goals scored. A guy starting 70% of his draws in the d zone against the best competition in the league is of course going to get outshot by the opposing line. Factor in the fact that Dave still put up bunches of points while playing with awful linemates and it shows why stats truly don't tell the whole story in a game like hockey.

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06-26-2012, 01:47 AM
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Of course Bolland has a very big white circle, it's based upon attempted shots, not actual goals scored. A guy starting 70% of his draws in the d zone against the best competition in the league is of course going to get outshot by the opposing line. Factor in the fact that Dave still put up bunches of points while playing with awful linemates and it shows why stats truly don't tell the whole story in a game like hockey.
Exactly. Good post.

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06-26-2012, 05:44 AM
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many of our players get more hate than they should. Hockey is still a team sports and the team as a whole lost and was the reason we lost.
We need some kind of change and fresh wind on the roster. Not sure if we get that by trading Hammer, Frolik & Crawford or trade Stalberg or change the Coach. Something has to happen and something will happen

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06-26-2012, 08:23 AM
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Either this:

Sharp - Toews - Kane
Saad - Laich - Hossa
Shaw - Bolland - Stalberg

Or this

Sharp - Toews - Kane
Saad - Dubinsky - Hossa
Shaw - Bolland - Stalberg

Or this

Sharp - Toews - Stalberg
Laich - Kane - Hossa
Shaw - Bolland - Ott

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06-26-2012, 08:32 AM
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Why does Washington trade Laich? It's not like they have many guys who'll play gritty and with alot of determination.

Dubinsky is no more a 2nd line centre than Bolland, and at his caphit, no thanks.

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06-26-2012, 08:44 AM
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Not sure if it's been talked about but Montador seems to be doing much better and will be ready for the season.

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06-26-2012, 08:55 AM
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Not sure if it's been talked about but Montador seems to be doing much better and will be ready for the season.
You mean ready to be traded

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06-26-2012, 09:34 AM
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I hate the guy, but Shane Doan would be a nice top-six winger for us.

Doan-Toews-Kane
Saad-Sharp-Hossa
Stalberg-Bolland-Shaw
Carcillo-Kruger-Mayers/Hayes
Mayers/Hayes, Bollig

I would sign him for maybe up to three years and at around $4.5 million per. We could still make a run at Suter.
Post this about Doan at the trade deadline last year, I agree 100% with you. After the playoff series and him being a little *****, I don't want him near this time and he can F himself.

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06-26-2012, 10:06 AM
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I know this might be crazy , but how about bringing in a 6th D man that is a PP specialist

Someone like Anton Babchuk ( dont laugh ) or Souray

We need someone back their at the point that can let them rip and scare the guys that are dropping to block shots in front of him

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06-26-2012, 10:11 AM
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I was all for bringing in Souray, until he turned down $3M/year a week ago that Dallas offered him.

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We don't need a PP specialist of a Dman. There's nothing wrong with the personnel we have on our PP. Patrick Kane is your PP QB, he always will be and always has been. Chicago needs a competent structure/system for their PP, not Sheldon Souray or Anton Babchuk.

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We don't need a PP specialist of a Dman. There's nothing wrong with the personnel we have on our PP. Patrick Kane is your PP QB, he always will be and always has been. Chicago needs a competent structure/system for their PP, not Sheldon Souray or Anton Babchuk.
When Kane gets things going on the PP, it always ends up with too much hesitation looking for the perfect backdoor pass to Sharp. It rarely works, and takes way too much time to develop. I'd rather have a QB on the blueline, scanning for lanes, blasting away, and creating rebound chances for Toews, Sharp, or Hossa to retrieve. Enough of this Harlem Globtrotter on ice crap on the PP.

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Hawks need better coaching for the special teams, those players were good 3 years ago on the STs


want to know who will replace Haviland

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