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06-26-2012, 01:57 PM
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He did get a QO.
Yeah saw it in the other thread. Just sign Winnik, and buy Zeus out and ill be happy. Maybe sign Moore too.

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Very nice. I guess TJ is gone then? He is the only roster RFA not mentioned.
Not necessarily... DW may be focused on Winnik 1st, which may make it easier to negotiate with TJ, depending on the deal. I think TJ is important to the locker room/bench, as he usually seems up and is always talking--and with this supposed philosophy shift, I think we need more of what he brings. But we'll see.

Edit = and now I read he's gotten a QO.

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But it's a one-way deal (which he's never had before). Keeps him "hungry" too.

The Sharks can re-sign him to a longer term after January, should they want to.
I so agree. He will have to perform to earn the next contract.

Good move on all three. Definitely wanted all back in the fold.

Any word or update on Winnik? Haven't read anything on him.

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Sheppard a QO. That works.

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Sheppard a QO. That works.
I would have been ready to flip over a car if he didn't get a QO, that would have been a massive waste of a third round pick

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But it's a one-way deal (which he's never had before). Keeps him "hungry" too.

The Sharks can re-sign him to a longer term after January, should they want to.
Forgive my ignorance, but what's the difference between a 1-way and 2-way deal? Do they just get paid differently when they are in Worcester, or is it a way of circumventing going through waivers? Thanks.

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Forgive my ignorance, but what's the difference between a 1-way and 2-way deal? Do they just get paid differently when they are in Worcester, or is it a way of circumventing going through waivers? Thanks.
One way deals have to pass through waivers, two way deals do not. It's in the player's best interest for a one way deal as that improves his chances of staying with the big club (as it's harder to ship them back down to the A with them having to pass through waivers)

I'm sure there are some other details in there if someone wants to elaborate, but that's the general idea

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One way deals have to pass through waivers, two way deals do not. It's in the player's best interest for a one way deal as that improves his chances of staying with the big club (as it's harder to ship them back down to the A with them having to pass through waivers)

I'm sure there are some other details in there if someone wants to elaborate, but that's the general idea
AHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!


Seriously, this stuff makes me want to pull my hair out.

No, no no no no no no no no no no.

By the way, also NO.

Two way deal means they get payed at a different rate in the AHL and NHL. One way means they get the same pay no matter where they play.

A player may for instance make $600k in the NHL, but only $60K in the AHL on a two way deal. On a one way deal they would make $600k in both places.

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AHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!


Seriously, this stuff makes me want to pull my hair out.

No, no no no no no no no no no no.

By the way, also NO.

Two way deal means they get payed at a different rate in the AHL and NHL. One way means they get the same pay no matter where they play.

A player may for instance make $600k in the NHL, but only $60K in the AHL on a two way deal. On a one way deal they would make $600k in both places.
I guess that makes more sense, thanks for the clarification

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Forgive my ignorance, but what's the difference between a 1-way and 2-way deal? Do they just get paid differently when they are in Worcester, or is it a way of circumventing going through waivers? Thanks.
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One way deals have to pass through waivers, two way deals do not.
Sorry, Dr, but that's incorrect.

One-way just means regardless of where they are playing, they'll get the same $$s. Two-way means they get one salary (usually in hundreds of thousands) if they're playing in NHL, lesser amount (usually tens of thousands) if playing in AHL (or other minor league).

Waivers are applicable depending on experience and age. (Usually for term of ELS they are exempt. And maybe a few more years for the guys who sign at 18.)

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We have EA sports to blame for the misunderstanding. An entire generation of hockey fans thinks two way deals mean no waivers. I wonder if EA didn't understand the rule either or if it was just easier that way.

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Numbers on Braun should be interesting. If he got more than Demers, it is telling.

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06-26-2012, 02:46 PM
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Numbers on Braun should be interesting. If he got more than Demers, it is telling.
Somewhat. Braun's signed for 3 years vs. Demers was signed for 2 so Braun's AAV should be higher simply because of that. Plus, Braun signed this offseason vs. Jason who signed 2 offseasons ago so inflation alone should prop up Braun's AAV.

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Somewhat. Braun's signed for 3 years vs. Demers was signed for 2 so Braun's AAV should be higher simply because of that. Plus, Braun signed this offseason vs. Jason who signed 2 offseasons ago so inflation alone should prop up Braun's AAV.
"More" in the truest sense.

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I'd think Desi at around 700k, and Braun at 1.5 mil is about right.

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What makes you think Demers has a higher upside? It seems to me Braun is the better pick of the two since he is a better skater and has a better shot while being equal to Demers defensively.

Very happy about the Braun signing, and I think Wingels is a good signing too. I really do wish I could have seen McGinn and Wingels play more together though. Those two are mirror images of each other and would have been a pain to play against with their work ethic.
Braun is better than Demers defensively IMO. He's plays a more consistent game too, not offensively but in general.

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Braun is better than Demers defensively IMO. He's plays a more consistent game too, not offensively but in general.
I think what sets them apart is that Demers has a Boyle-esque playmaking gene that is hard to come by. If Demers puts it all together he could be Dan Boyle, whereas Braun's upside is a #4 defenseman, in my opinion. Still, I think Braun is more likely to be an everyday contributor than Demers.

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But it's a one-way deal (which he's never had before). Keeps him "hungry" too.

The Sharks can re-sign him to a longer term after January, should they want to.
Yeah, because if there's an issue with Desjardins it's his heart and effort

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"More" in the truest sense.
Not sure what you're trying to say... Braun would have to get a lot more to read into it. It's expected his AAV will be higher based on longer term and signing more recently...

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Yeah, because if there's an issue with Desjardins it's his heart and effort
In a way, there is. He was in the press box for a string of game around late January or so. His effort picked up right after that.

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Braun and Demers are interesting. Demers is a bit of a better skater, but Braun's skating is very impressive considering his size. Braun has the size, the reach, the better shot, etc. He's more physical as well. But Demers clearly has the hockey sense and softer hands. His hockey sense lets him make those big hits, even though he's not a very physical player in general (like Brian Campbell).

Defensemen like Braun can rely on their physical gifts can carve out careers as bottom-pairing defensemen. Players like Demers, if they realize their potential, can have careers in the top-4...

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