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06-26-2012, 01:43 PM
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Just one of the several stupid posts from Sens fans in this thread.

To be fair, some Flames fans have had some real gems in here too.
I would only trade Gio for an over payment, everyone would, in terms of $$$ he is one of the best dmen in the NHL. Two top end prospects gets it done, not one of them and a 2nd.

for that package they could have Jaybo.

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06-26-2012, 03:54 PM
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Just one of the several stupid posts from Sens fans in this thread.

To be fair, some Flames fans have had some real gems in here too.
The trade forum brings out the worst in all fanbases unfortunately.

Personally the only way I trade Zib like others have said, is in a package for a number 1 winger. There's to much potential with this kid.

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06-26-2012, 05:28 PM
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I would only trade Gio for an over payment, everyone would, in terms of $$$ he is one of the best dmen in the NHL. Two top end prospects gets it done, not one of them and a 2nd.

for that package they could have Jaybo.
You mean we can get a grossly overpaid and underperforming Dman for a blue chip prospect and a 2nd rounder, as a rebuilding team?! Where do we SIGN!? Really? Think about how ridiculous that sounds. Maybe you can get Gomez for Baertschi.

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06-26-2012, 05:33 PM
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This reason right here is why the Flames arguably had the worst prospect pool heading into the season. By your judgement, Sven Bartcshi (a top 15 pick) is worth Filip Kuba (number 4 defensmen). Cause Bartschi didn't even make an NHL roster this season.
Giordano >>>> Kuba
Sven > Zibanejad

So no not really a great comparison at all really.

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06-26-2012, 05:51 PM
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Are you seriously comparing Kuba to Giordano?

wow!
Ummm yeah.

Kuba had more points. Kuba was +26 in comparison to Giordano's 0.

Kuba played a full 30 seconds more per game.

Get your head out of your ass.

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06-26-2012, 06:09 PM
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Giordano >>>> Kuba
Sven > Zibanejad

So no not really a great comparison at all really.
Sven> Zibanejad?

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06-26-2012, 09:28 PM
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Sven> Zibanejad?
Dont worry man, they think that Sven is probably better than Huberdeau or Nugent-Hopkins. There is a reason why where sven went somewhere between 10-15 and Zibanejad went 6, there is actually a reason. Honestly I feel sorry for Calgary, they will be stuck with mediocrity for more years with Feaster, and the Sens will dominate in a few years so have fun with your guys if you think Sven>Zibanejad I hope this is the guy that thinks ZIBANEJAD WILL BUST, BIGGEST BUST OF 2011 NHL DRAFT YEAR OMFG OMFG ZOMG

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The reason Calgary fans are so in love with Bartschi is because he's the only thing of worth in their organizational "cupboard", so they have a special attachment to him.

I'm fine with that, but to say Bartschi is better is pretty ridiculous at this point.

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06-26-2012, 09:42 PM
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From THN's Futurewatch 2012 (a list made from the polling of NHL scouts and GM's), Mika Zibanejad ranked at the 5th best prospect in the league. Sven was 15th.

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06-26-2012, 09:44 PM
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From THN's Futurewatch 2012 (a list made from the polling of NHL scouts and GM's), Mika Zibanejad ranked at the 5th best prospect in the league. Sven was 15th.
See my post above.

I'm not even kidding, this is 100% the situation in Calgary. You know how I know? I've seen it before!! When an organization's cupboards are bare, the few worthwile prospects they do have are glorified.

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06-26-2012, 10:05 PM
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See my post above.

I'm not even kidding, this is 100% the situation in Calgary. You know how I know? I've seen it before!! When an organization's cupboards are bare, the few worthwile prospects they do have are glorified.
I think they are about the same but what has Zibanejad done to be ahead of Sven?

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06-26-2012, 10:11 PM
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I think they are about the same but what has Zibanejad done to be ahead of Sven?
WJC Gold medal game OT winner?

Played in probably the 2nd or 3rd best mens league in the world?

Played in the NHL as an 18 year old?

Is not undersized and therefore a question mark long-term in the NHL?

been publicly ranked as "better" by a panel of scouts and GM's?

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WJC Gold medal game OT winner?

Played in probably the 2nd or 3rd best mens league in the world?

Played in the NHL as an 18 year old?

Is not undersized and therefore a question mark long-term in the NHL?

been publicly ranked as "better" by a panel of scouts and GM's?
Sven did better as only a few months older. Sven plays for Switzerland he doesn't have a shot at a WJC. He may have played in a great league but Sven dominated in his league.

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06-26-2012, 10:21 PM
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How can Murray justify trading a prospect like Zibanejad for Giordano, when Visnovsky returned a 2013 2nd, and Michalek garned a 3rd and a couple mediocre prospects.

If we were that desperate to acquire a top 4 defenseman before July 1st, we would have had no problem matching the offers for those two.

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How can Murray justify trading a prospect like Zibanejad for Giordano, when Visnovsky returned a 2013 2nd, and Michalek garned a 3rd and a couple mediocre prospects.

If we were that desperate to acquire a top 4 defenseman before July 1st, we would have had no problem matching the offers for those two.
Gio> both and has a better contract and is younger than both. But I agree that they would have gone after Michalek if they wanted another defender.

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06-26-2012, 10:49 PM
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See my post above.

I'm not even kidding, this is 100% the situation in Calgary. You know how I know? I've seen it before!! When an organization's cupboards are bare, the few worthwile prospects they do have are glorified.
If you said that a couple years ago you would have been right, but the Flames have some pretty decent prospects in their system.

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Sven> Zibanejad?
I would take Bartschi over Zbad, and I'm a Sens fan.

His talent level is much higher.

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06-26-2012, 10:55 PM
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Ummm yeah.

Kuba had more points. Kuba was +26 in comparison to Giordano's 0.

Kuba played a full 30 seconds more per game.

Get your head out of your ass.
If you seriously think Kuba is better then I have nothing to say on the matter. Every comparison on this board pales to Giordano, most Sens fans have no idea who this guy is.

I wouldn't take Kuba over Gio ever. Neither would Murray.

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If you seriously think Kuba is better then I have nothing to say on the matter. Every comparison on this board pales to Giordano, mostSens fans h ave no idea who this guy is.

I wouldn't take Kuba over Gio ever. Neither would Murray.
We know who he is , he is the the guy that made Bobby Butler look like Marian Hossa for two shifts in a row back in Novermber.

Kidding aside, no way the sens give up their top prospect for Giordano, Not enough of an impact player to justify such a move.

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06-26-2012, 11:34 PM
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If you said that a couple years ago you would have been right, but the Flames have some pretty decent prospects in their system.



I would take Bartschi over Zbad, and I'm a Sens fan.

His talent level is much higher.
I tip my hat to you. Always nice to see someone on the "other side" be reasonable. Sven and Zbad should not be compared yet. Give them a solid year in the NHL.

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06-26-2012, 11:35 PM
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Calgary takes this and runs, but there's no way the Sens would ever do this lol.

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06-27-2012, 03:22 AM
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If you said that a couple years ago you would have been right, but the Flames have some pretty decent prospects in their system.



I would take Bartschi over Zbad, and I'm a Sens fan.

His talent level is much higher.
Thank. You. So. Much.

It always boggles my mind how every single trade thread turns into throwing insults at the other team to make yourself feel better. Grow the **** up. Thank you for not being ignorant and actually doing research about our team and on sven before attempting to write us off. If only this board was half filled with people like you.

Anyways, on-topic..

To my fellow flames fans, Gio's a stud but some of you are overvaluing him greatly and expecting massive overpayment. Expecting Zib to come back would be like us trading Sven for a 2nd pairing Dman (so, an obvious no).

Oh and as of now, without bias, I'd take Sven over Zib. Probably half the people writing him off don't even know he scored 3 goals in 5 games with the flames this season.

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06-27-2012, 06:24 AM
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Ummm yeah.

Kuba had more points. Kuba was +26 in comparison to Giordano's 0.

Kuba played a full 30 seconds more per game.

Get your head out of your ass.
Yes, Kuba is better then Giordano.

Any other super smart dudes in this thread?

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06-27-2012, 06:31 AM
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personally yes I would do

Jakob Silfverberg+2013 2nd
for
Mark Giordano+Mikael Backlund

but the only little hick to that is that we dont have a 2013 2nd (see Bishop Trade)

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WJC Gold medal game OT winner?

Played in probably the 2nd or 3rd best mens league in the world?

Played in the NHL as an 18 year old?

Is not undersized and therefore a question mark long-term in the NHL?

been publicly ranked as "better" by a panel of scouts and GM's?
Bartschi put up 3 goals in his first 5 games during an emergency call up.

lol. I hope that remark about size isn't referring to Bartschi being a question mark. Calgary got a pretty good glimpse about what they can expect out of him in the future.

But yes, if it makes some of you ******** Sens fans feel better then Zibanejad must be better than Bartschi!

How did Zibanejad do in his 9 games?

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06-27-2012, 06:38 AM
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The reason Calgary fans are so in love with Bartschi is because he's the only thing of worth in their organizational "cupboard", so they have a special attachment to him.
Give this man a medal.

They literally have Sven, Glenx, Iggy, Kipper and Gio that have value. That's all.

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