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06-27-2012, 10:23 AM
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There's one and only one player that I like less than Engqvist is Gomez. Engqvist is the second, and by very far.
Any reason you're particularly attached to other guys like, say, Dany Massé or even Ian Schultz? These guys aren't exactly 18 year old prospects, either. Or are you just choosing from players who you have been able to see because they have suited up for the Habs at some point?

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06-27-2012, 10:31 AM
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Your last line is quite the baseless comment, Nate.

Because the user you quoted doesn't care much for Engqvist, you tie it in with Bergevin having no patience? Did he not extend a QO to Engqvist to retain his rights? Engqvist signing with the KHL is in no way relevant to the patience of Marc Bergevin. It just means he wants a bigger window of opportunity to grow and feels that AHL time will do nothing for him at this point.

Do I think he'll rip it up in the KHL? Probably not.
I guess I should have made myself more clear. I meant previous management. Our previous management's patience (with young players) was like a 3-year-old child on Christmas morning with 30 new toys.

Obviously Bergevin was in the camp to keep Engqvist since he was qualified. Hard to judge Bergevin's patience on one month of work.

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06-27-2012, 10:33 AM
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06-27-2012, 10:35 AM
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I think they retain his NHL rights with QO...that may help his development.
yes they retain his NHL rights

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I wish I had seen some of his later season games in Hamilton when it finally seemed like he was turning the corner into being a consistent top player there. But I didn't. Instead, I've only ever seen him being about as invisible as a player can be. He never made plays, never hit, and even defensively it was kind of in a passive I'll-just-make-sure-I'm-being-careful kind of way
He was Hamilton's best player last season, so it hurts for them to lose him but I wasn't expecting him back anyways.

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Well, more ice time for Nattinen to develop. I heard they were similar players with Nats being a better skater and good at face-offs. Plus, he really seemed to come on in the second half, so he could end up being a good call up.

Enquist seems easily replaceable .Someone who bolts for the KHL either does it for money or they saw the writing on the wall that they are not NHL material.
Engqvist has been used at center the entire time he was in Hamilton, Nattinen has been used at wing the entire time, so not having him back doesn't really do anything for Nattinen. Engqvist was very good at face-offs so I'd be surprised if Nattinen is better then him in that regard.

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06-27-2012, 10:45 AM
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There's one and only one player that I like less than Engqvist is Gomez. Engqvist is the second, and by very far.
He wasnt to high on my list either. Too slow and didnt use his size. This is no loss. Part time 4th line players arent exactly hard to find.

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06-27-2012, 10:54 AM
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And he has already been Hamilton's top goal scorer. But in any event, if management sees Engqvist as direct competition for White, then I won't mind terribly if they just sit back and watch him cross back over the pond. Would be too bad, though. Hate to see a late blooming, big, polished forward with rounded skills who can play centre and the wing leave so unceremoniously.
20 goals, in one of the worst Bulldogs teams in memory, makes for a poor argument.

That's why they gave him a Qo and that's what you do to your 15-16th forwards, you keep them around. It doesn't mean he's NHL material or ever will be.

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Take Gomez with you...
Hahahaha I second that.
Won't miss Engqvist one bit. Good riddance.

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06-27-2012, 11:06 AM
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Couldn't feel more indifferent.

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Good for him, he had no shot at sticking in the NHL with Montreal. I don't mind making room for actual NHL prospects in Hamilton.

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06-27-2012, 11:12 AM
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Good luck to him in the K. He was a good soldier for us in the AHL.

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06-27-2012, 11:17 AM
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yes they retain his NHL rights



He was Hamilton's best player last season, so it hurts for them to lose him but I wasn't expecting him back anyways.



Engqvist has been used at center the entire time he was in Hamilton, Nattinen has been used at wing the entire time, so not having him back doesn't really do anything for Nattinen. Engqvist was very good at face-offs so I'd be surprised if Nattinen is better then him in that regard.
Well, it could mean he goes back to centre now. I heard he was amazing at faceoffs back when he was in the junior tournament.

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06-27-2012, 11:22 AM
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I don't understand the hate, this is a loss to Hamilton even if Engqvist never developed to an NHL level.

It's not something I'd lose sleep over, as it probably means either Natty or Leblanc (if he doesn't make the NHL) will be moved back to C, but say what you want about Engqvist, he adjusted nicely to the AHL level and could have been a good influence on the younger kids coming in. It's amazing how people cried over losing Andrew Conboy and are celebrating this. Though if Nattinen is moved back to C he could end up a better version of Engqvist.

Personally I wish him luck in Russia.

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I think it's better for him career wise at his age because I highly doubt him making the team this year anyways.

Good luck to Mr. Engqvist!

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06-27-2012, 11:54 AM
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I think it's better for him career wise at his age because I highly doubt him making the team this year anyways.

Good luck to Mr. Engqvist!
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06-27-2012, 11:54 AM
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Im still bewildered why a guy with 0pt in the NHL has his own thread. He was useless when he played on the big club, invisible. At least he wont be taking time away from players like Bournival or Leblanc is he doesnt make the Habs this year.

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06-27-2012, 12:06 PM
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Well, it could mean he goes back to centre now. I heard he was amazing at faceoffs back when he was in the junior tournament.
Perhaps, but last year they needed centers as they used Willsie there even though he seemed much better on the wings, so I assume that management had a reason for keeping him on the wing. Same for Leblanc. But with new management I guess we'll see if that changes next season.

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06-27-2012, 12:13 PM
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So long Craig Darby, I mean Andreas Engqvist. All right for a call up here or there, but he didn't bring much to the table. He'll be easily forgotten.

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Couldn't feel more indifferent.
Kind of how I feel. Had he signed on for another ear I would have felt the same way.

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06-27-2012, 12:31 PM
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Perhaps, but last year they needed centers as they used Willsie there even though he seemed much better on the wings, so I assume that management had a reason for keeping him on the wing. Same for Leblanc. But with new management I guess we'll see if that changes next season.
To be fair he was a radically different player at the end of the season than he was at the beginning, where he couldn't keep up with the pace. Besides the new management he might be trusted more now.

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Who knows?
Maybe h'ell latebloom in the KHL and speed up his skating on bigger ring.
Habs keep his rights dont they!

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Too bad, would have liked to see him stick around longer.

Interesting to see we have so many experts here who saw all they ever needed to see from a player after 15 NHL games played.

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06-27-2012, 01:58 PM
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Ridiculous.

Good to know that prospects need to be NHL quality stars within two years.

No wonder our team sucks. Our GM's patience is the same as the fan base.
How do we know the GM's patience is the same as the fan base?

They qualified Enqvist, whether they did that just for Hamilton depth or not he was still meant to be a part of the organization.

Something more people need to understand better is that every single player has a key role in the organization. If Enqvist was to stay on and play top 6 minutes with Hamilton that is an important thing for the Habs.

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06-27-2012, 02:04 PM
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Too bad, would have liked to see him stick around longer.

Interesting to see we have so many experts here who saw all they ever needed to see from a player after 15 NHL games played.
And you've read posts of people pretending to be experts explicitly perhaps? Just a suggestion: Maybe you should give people a break and not assume the most negative thing you can conclude about them when you don't share their opinion.

This isn't an expert only board after all.

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