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06-26-2012, 04:45 PM
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Proof that Timmins was never the problem. Dude's a gem.


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06-26-2012, 04:48 PM
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It was a hell of a draft...

Who needs Christmas when we have drafts like that...

I actually havn't been so impressed with a draft in ages.

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Proof that Timmins was never the problem. Dude's a gem.

And he just might get better (if at all possible) since he is head of pro scouting and that is all he has to do. Nothing gets by Trevor without input from him.

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06-26-2012, 05:56 PM
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Funny how no one on this board is complaining that we drafted 3rd now. Go back to February and there were so many posters giving crap to the "pro-tankers", saying we weren't true fans, and how it would be better to fight for a playoff spot. The team, of course, did not intentionally tank, however, it didn't keep me from hoping for a great draft position after realizing there was no way in hell they would make the playoffs.

so, on that note, I have just 2 more points:

1) Guess what, we wouldn't have got the players we did and "won the draft" if we had finished 14th or better.

2) It was painfully apparent that a re-build was needed, from the top down. I have WAAAY more confidence in this team now then I did back at the mid-season point last year. And they haven't even filled in their holes yet. But I have confidence in new management that they will.

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Funny how no one on this board is complaining that we drafted 3rd now. Go back to February and there were so many posters giving crap to the "pro-tankers", saying we weren't true fans, and how it would be better to fight for a playoff spot. The team, of course, did not intentionally tank, however, it didn't keep me from hoping for a great draft position after realizing there was no way in hell they would make the playoffs.

so, on that note, I have just 2 more points:

1) Guess what, we wouldn't have got the players we did and "won the draft" if we had finished 14th or better.

2) It was painfully apparent that a re-build was needed, from the top down. I have WAAAY more confidence in this team now then I did back at the mid-season point last year. And they haven't even filled in their holes yet. But I have confidence in new management that they will.
There is a HUGE difference between having a crappy year and drafting early versus running your team into the ground to try and get a high pick.

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06-27-2012, 02:33 AM
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Day 2: In a nutshell, I thought by the end of the draft the Habs had obtained several good prospects outside of Galchenyuk. Collberg looked great in the summer, bland in November, good at the World Juniors, great in February, and I though great in April although not every scout agrees. He's a very skilled player despite zero points in the SEL this year; when playing internationally, he really stood out with his speed, skill, and shot. Thrower is a very competitive, physical defenseman who's a little small and who won't wow you with any particular skill, but his skills are solid across the board. Bozon is a skilled all-around player who is creative, fast, gritty, and can finish. Vail is a high-end intangibles player with solid offensive touch; he's a smart player, but could use some work on his skating, and doesn't really have top-six tools. Hudon is a fun player to watch with legit high-end puck possession skills but he's a little slow and very small; he has produced and stood out in my opinion the last two years and I love taking talent like that where the Habs chose him.
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06-27-2012, 03:02 AM
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just a few years ago the habs had a HUGE hole in dmen prospects.
In 2007 Timmins picked Macdo and Subban but his pick got traded against his judgement for Gomez. Today we all know just how bad this turned out for the Habs not only is Gomez a bust and Macdo is a star Markov got hurt again WOW just WOW. Last year while all the other teams were picking up good forwards at the draft Timmins was forced to fix the damage from the NHL's worst trade ever. He picked Tinordi and Beaulieu both are doing fine and projected to be 1 line dman and 2nd line dman. Now With PG GONE, This now left Timmins a free hand this year to pull off a real magic trick to fix the top six forward prospects.
Overall, Just think a bit. Habs will have Price, Subban, Beaulieu Tinordi, Ellis, Thrower, Gorges, Emelin... and the best of the rest a defence. Then look at the forwards, Galchenyuk, Pacioretty, Collberg, Eller, Cole, Gallagher, Kristo, Bozon, Vail, Pleks, Leblanc, White, Bournival...


Then you must make some trades with the players Habs will offer up:
Bourque, Gomez, Gionta, Desharnais, Palushaj, Markov Kaberle, Weber, Diaz. For sure some of these players will bring something back.

then Timmins gets to pick NEW prospects in a good year next June again.
Totally agree with you, but with Gionta...it will depend if we're in playoffs or not, imo (and I'm sure, like you think, he has a lot of value for trade deadline since he's got heart/leadership...great for playoffs). Markov has a no trade clause, no?, and Kaberle has a ''no-many-teams-him'' clause! (except maybe his last year of contract for the PP...?).


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06-27-2012, 06:02 AM
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I'm happy, but a part of me says: "man, 20 scouts spend one year watching hockey all around the world, and all they do is selecting players in the same order as Bob Mckenzie!"

Very happy with Gally's pick though.
I think Mackenzie comes up with the 60 best list by speaking with 10 scouts and finding out their most popular player at each spot. Like your post though, LOL.

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06-27-2012, 12:49 PM
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No, we're clear cut losers and bombed this draft. Doing so horribly in the regular season makes it necessarily so. The grade can only be an F.

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06-27-2012, 12:52 PM
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Now it's time to see if the Habs can develop these kids unlike the past years. With this management in place I have hope

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06-27-2012, 01:31 PM
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Hopefully, those development coaches will be there this week in development camp II!

if none of them show up ?????

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nothing is more funny than people who try to find out the winner of the draft the day after the draft

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nothing is more funny than people who try to find out the winner of the draft the day after the draft
I find it even funnier people not realizing that people are saying they are winner at this point in time. Everyone had a personal ranking of the prospects, if the Habs picked players that were ranked higher on their list than where the Habs picked them, then the Habs are winners. Is that too hard to understand?

Now the draft rating will have to be re-evaluated every year, next year the Habs could be draft losers if Galchenyuk and Collberg don't develop as expected.

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06-27-2012, 10:14 PM
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I absolutely love our picks, but I'm actually a bit worried, since that's pretty much the exact same picks I would have made if they asked me out of nowhere to make the selections... Which might not be a good thing .

We made the sexy picks, but don't forget other GMs were aware X and Y players were available at Z spot. If they passed up on them, it's because they saw something bigger/better in other players...

For now, I'm more than happy with our draft, but let's not get ahead of ourselves just yet.
You mean like when Montreal saw something bigger in Andrei Kostitsyn instead of going sexy with Parise, Getzlaf, Carter or Richards?

The sexy pick is more often then not the right choice when selecting a high as Montreal is picking this year.

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06-27-2012, 10:57 PM
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Guys, i hate to be the party pooper, but creaming in our pants because we had the best draft in the worst draft year since 1999 (according to many scouts) is akin to going crazy and telling eveyone you won a contest when the prizes consisted of cleaning products and shoe shining kits. Yes, Galenyuk was considered a great talent and might become a very good player for us, but let's hold off proclaiming the rest of our picks future stars. Outside of the top three overall picks, every team can make the case that they had the best picks of the draft simply because the dropoff in talent was so steep that there was not much separating the rest of the players.

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"Sexy" picks don't always end up being the best ones. I can remember past years salivating over a couple teams' performances (Colorado and Chicago come to mind, can't remember why), but there are always pre-draft favourites amongst draft watchers, and sometimes they gravitate onto a given team's draft list. It still doesn't always pan out. But for sure, I'll take being the team getting those accolades as opposed to not being that team.
I've always wondered; how blind are you and what exactly do you guard? Are you legally blind?

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Guys, i hate to be the party pooper, but creaming in our pants because we had the best draft in the worst draft year since 1999 (according to many scouts) is akin to going crazy and telling eveyone you won a contest when the prizes consisted of cleaning products and shoe shining kits. Yes, Galenyuk was considered a great talent and might become a very good player for us, but let's hold off proclaiming the rest of our picks future stars. Outside of the top three overall picks, every team can make the case that they had the best picks of the draft simply because the dropoff in talent was so steep that there was not much separating the rest of the players.
Agreed. Good draft, but need a bit of a "chill out approach". Better to lower expectations and see how these guys develop.mexcept Glachenyuk who should be a good player, nothing is guaranteed

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I don't think a Hab lover wrote this article below (for all the bitter haters, kiilljoys and Hab haters out there):


http://lastwordonsports.com/2012/06/...rs-and-losers/

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Funny how no one on this board is complaining that we drafted 3rd now. Go back to February and there were so many posters giving crap to the "pro-tankers", saying we weren't true fans, and how it would be better to fight for a playoff spot. The team, of course, did not intentionally tank, however, it didn't keep me from hoping for a great draft position after realizing there was no way in hell they would make the playoffs.

so, on that note, I have just 2 more points:

1) Guess what, we wouldn't have got the players we did and "won the draft" if we had finished 14th or better.

2) It was painfully apparent that a re-build was needed, from the top down. I have WAAAY more confidence in this team now then I did back at the mid-season point last year. And they haven't even filled in their holes yet. But I have confidence in new management that they will.
I still would never tank. Tanking is a joke. I think it's stupid to cheer for the team you love to lose. Always will.

I'm still not happy we finished last in the EC and third last in the NHL this year. That's pathetic.

I love our new prospects, but I would much rather have watched the team hold the Stanley Cup than have drafted Galchenyuk or Collberg (despite how much I'm going to love both of them).

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I don't think a Hab lover wrote this article below (for all the bitter haters, kiilljoys and Hab haters out there):


http://lastwordonsports.com/2012/06/...rs-and-losers/
In fact, he is a Habs fan. He's a poster on Habs Inside/Out

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In fact, he is a Habs fan. He's a poster on Habs Inside/Out
that's a lie! ... he post's at Hockey Inside/Out

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Proof that Timmins was never the problem. Dude's a gem.

Anyone who thought that Timmins was a problem would qualify as a certified idiot. His track record is incredible.

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Okay people. We didn't "win" the draft.

But if this was a race, we have a headstart.

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While I agree with everyone who is saying you can't proclaim winners and losers of a draft days after it happened, I have some pretty high hopes for this draft class, and I base that optimism on a specific precedent: The Colorado Avalanche's draft of 2009

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/t...r00005307.html

It just seems like the stars aligned for them in '09 and my hope is that the players we drafted this year have that "franchise altering" impact on the Habs in a few years. With their first 4 picks, the avalanche got a potential franchise forward, a fantastic complimentary offensive player (some might argue Reilly's ceiling is higher than that) and two players who look like they will pan out as NHL regulars at worst, and impact players if things go well for them.

That, to me, is how i see Galchenyuk, Collberg, Thrower and Bozon progressing. Granted absolutely nothing is set in stone, but a guy can hope.

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Guys, i hate to be the party pooper, but creaming in our pants because we had the best draft in the worst draft year since 1999 (according to many scouts) is akin to going crazy and telling eveyone you won a contest when the prizes consisted of cleaning products and shoe shining kits. Yes, Galenyuk was considered a great talent and might become a very good player for us, but let's hold off proclaiming the rest of our picks future stars. Outside of the top three overall picks, every team can make the case that they had the best picks of the draft simply because the dropoff in talent was so steep that there was not much separating the rest of the players.
The whole "worst draft" thing is overblown. Most scouts I spoke to said that this is an average draft, add a Crosby or Malkin at #1 and it's a great draft. The fact that Yakupov is no Crosby has no impact on us getting a potential 80 point center. The fact that Forsberg fell so much tells me the draft was pretty deep, the kid is gonna be a good hockey player.

Bozon was a PPGM player in the WHL in his rookie year at 17 and has good size and speed, getting him 3rd round, the draft can't be very weak.

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