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06-27-2012, 10:07 AM
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Why is everyone creating rosters next year with a 70M+ cap? It's not going to happen.

Even going into next year with a cap of 66M seems a tad optimistic.

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Why is everyone creating rosters next year with a 70M+ cap? It's not going to happen.

Even going into next year with a cap of 66M seems a tad optimistic.
I agree but its at $70 mil now so if you want to sign guys do it, figure it out later. Even at $66 mil, you can sign a $70 mil roster with the 10$ overage.....we aren't wasting that on Huet now.

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Why is everyone creating rosters next year with a 70M+ cap? It's not going to happen.

Even going into next year with a cap of 66M seems a tad optimistic.
a lot of people are leaving significant amounts of space on the cap. I used 70 mil for the cap ceiling
because thats what it is right now but only used 65 of it.

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06-27-2012, 10:50 AM
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Why is everyone creating rosters next year with a 70M+ cap? It's not going to happen.

Even going into next year with a cap of 66M seems a tad optimistic.
It will happen until there is a lockout and new cap. That's the projected cap. If and I believe when it gets lowered, contracts will be rolled back as well.

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Not necessarily. If they cut players' costs to 52% then the cap remains the same and no need for across the salary cuts.

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Ok i know this will not happen and is probly stupid so LAY OFF

Sign Parise

Kane,Kruger? for Roy, Grigensons, Grigorenko


Parise-Toews-Stalberg
Sharp-Roy-Hossa
Bickell-Bolland-Shaw
Carcillo-Burish-Mayers


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Saad
Girgensons
Grigeranko
Teravainen


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Why is everyone creating rosters next year with a 70M+ cap? It's not going to happen.

Even going into next year with a cap of 66M seems a tad optimistic.
I saw on this board a few days ago that Bowman has said that GM's expect the cap to actually be in the ballpark of that 70M number. But take it with a grain of salt - I don't have a link and that may not have been true in the first place.

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Ok i know this will not happen and is probly stupid so LAY OFF

Sign Parise

Kane,Kruger,pirri,Beach, Danualt for Roy, Grigensons, Grigorenko


Parise-Toews-Stalberg
Sharp-Roy-Hossa
Bickell-Bolland-Shaw
Carcillo-Burish-Mayers


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Girgensons
Grigeranko
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That deal is horrible for the Hawks.

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06-27-2012, 12:18 PM
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really in shock right now that the Avalanche did not tender Peter Mueller an offer making the RFA now a UFA on July 1st....

a ton of teams are licking their chops over this as I can see Nashville as a prime candidate to sign this guy.

Mueller has had a ton of injuries over the years, mainly concussions, but he has been concussion free for some time now, but the Avs just made an epic mistake imo... the dude has skills, and I would love the Hawks try and get this guy and hopefully you can land him on a 1-2 year deal with a modest cap hit as he needs to prove himself again.

tons of skill and talent, can play LW or center, and has hands and vision that are lights out....just needs to stay healthy, but passing on this guy would be stupid if he can be had for cheap...

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06-27-2012, 12:57 PM
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Why does anybody want Kane to play center? He showed last year he wasn't good there.

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Ok i know this will not happen and is probly stupid so LAY OFF

Sign Parise

Kane,Kruger,pirri,Beach, Danualt for Roy, Grigensons, Grigorenko


Parise-Toews-Stalberg
Sharp-Roy-Hossa
Bickell-Bolland-Shaw
Carcillo-Burish-Mayers


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Mcneill
Saad
Girgensons
Grigeranko
Teravainen
Yeah, that's pretty awful for the Hawks. Kane is far and away the best player in the deal and they still have to add a young roster player and 3 good prospects.. I don't get it.

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06-27-2012, 01:13 PM
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Why does anybody want Kane to play center? He showed last year he wasn't good there.
It's better than Kruger if the Hawks don't make a move. Kane was good there and bad at times. Kind of streaky.

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Bolland would be better than either. Sign a FA or trade for one who can play 3C.

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Why does anybody want Kane to play center? He showed last year he wasn't good there.
You can repeat it all you want. Fact is, we played better as a team when he was at center last year in the beginning and end of the year. When Toews was down it was a treat to watch how dangerous he was in the offensive zone every night, usually setting up Bruno, sometimes Stalberg, and hopefully Hossa with high quality opportunities. He's our best playmaker and excels at carrying the puck across the opposing blue line. He's not the best at backchecking but he's excellent at taking away the puck in the neutral zone. He can carry a line as well as anyone else on this team, and the blind hatred is preposterous. Whining about a faceoff percentage he can improve is a weak argument considering his ability to grow as a player and the fact that he only gets compared to Toews. Go back and read the GDT's of when Toews was down and you'll see who our 2nd best center is. Kane is one of the most dangerous threats in the game and he's a LOT more dangerous in the middle of the ice than on the perimeter.

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You can repeat it all you want. Fact is, we played better as a team when he was at center last year in the beginning and end of the year. When Toews was down it was a treat to watch how dangerous he was in the offensive zone every night, usually setting up Bruno, sometimes Stalberg, and hopefully Hossa with high quality opportunities. He's our best playmaker and excels at carrying the puck across the opposing blue line. He's not the best at backchecking but he's excellent at taking away the puck in the neutral zone. He can carry a line as well as anyone else on this team, and the blind hatred is preposterous. Whining about a faceoff percentage he can improve is a weak argument considering his ability to grow as a player and the fact that he only gets compared to Toews. Go back and read the GDT's of when Toews was down and you'll see who our 2nd best center is. Kane is one of the most dangerous threats in the game and he's a LOT more dangerous in the middle of the ice than on the perimeter.
Agree, my only worry is him getting worn down over the course of a seaso

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06-27-2012, 02:19 PM
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Why not sign mueller to a cheeap contract and play him at 2nd line center till he gets hurt and add doan while were at it

AHL Kruger

Trade Frolik for anything

Trade Stalberg-Montador plus prospects/picks for Dan Boyle

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Patrick Sharp ($5.900m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m)
Shane Doan ($4.550m) / Peter Mueller ($1.000m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Bryan Bickell ($0.542m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Andrew Shaw ($0.565m)
Daniel Carcillo ($0.825m) / Adam Burish ($1.150m) / Jamal Mayers ($0.650m)
Jimmy Hayes ($0.875m)
DEFENSEMEN
Brent Seabrook ($5.800m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Dan Boyle ($6.667m) / Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m)
Johnny Oduya ($3.383m) / Nick Leddy ($1.117m)
Dylan Olsen ($0.870m) /
GOALTENDERS
Corey Crawford ($2.667m)
Ray Emery ($1.150m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $67,998,461; BONUSES: $697,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $2,301,539

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Why not sign mueller to a cheeap contract and play him at 2nd line center till he gets hurt and add doan while were at it

AHL Kruger

Trade Frolik for anything

Trade Stalberg-Montador plus prospects/picks for Dan Boyle

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Patrick Sharp ($5.900m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m)
Shane Doan ($4.550m) / Peter Mueller ($1.000m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Bryan Bickell ($0.542m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Andrew Shaw ($0.565m)
Daniel Carcillo ($0.825m) / Adam Burish ($1.150m) / Jamal Mayers ($0.650m)
Jimmy Hayes ($0.875m)
DEFENSEMEN
Brent Seabrook ($5.800m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Dan Boyle ($6.667m) / Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m)
Johnny Oduya ($3.383m) / Nick Leddy ($1.117m)
Dylan Olsen ($0.870m) /
GOALTENDERS
Corey Crawford ($2.667m)
Ray Emery ($1.150m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $67,998,461; BONUSES: $697,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $2,301,539
I agree that Mueller would be a nice 2nd line addition. he plays much better at center, but for whatever reason, teams put him at LW half the time...never understood it, but maybe with his concussions they wanted him skating less over the middle of the ice perhaps...dunno.

but you put that kind of talent around Mueller and I think he hits 50-60 points pretty darn easy if he can stay healthy...

Mueller is like Tim Connolly, extremely talented but has injury concerns.. but with Mueller he can be had for a third of what Connolly took in...it is a high risk high reward situation with Mueller (high risk because you are bringing him in to be that #2 center we have lacked for soooo long), but the reward is well worth it considering this guy likely wont be signing a 3-4 years deal at $3 mil plus...

Bowman has gone out of his way to sign guys past their prime or coming off of injuries, this is finally a situation that makes sense for the Hawks and Bowman to do this...as Mueller is only freaken 24 years old!

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06-27-2012, 02:39 PM
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also for ChiHawk, doubt SJ moves Boyle, especially for that package....would much rather use that money and assets to sign Suter at a bit more money then what Boyle is making.....Doan would be an awesome pickup as well, but why not make a move on Ryan Smyth?? I would much rather sign Smyth as I think he will come cheaper and would be hungry to be on a winner again...

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2012-13 NHL Stanley Cup Champs


FORWARDS
Patrick Sharp ($5.900m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m)
Ryan Smyth ($3.25m) / Peter Mueller ($1.500m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Viktor Stalberg ($0.875m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Brandon Saad ($0.875m)
Daniel Carcillo ($0.825m) / Jimmy Hayes ($0.875m) / Bryan Bickell ($0.542m)
Andrew Shaw ($0.565m)

next in line- Jeremy Morin, Ben Smith, and Kyle Beach

DEFENSEMEN
Brent Seabrook ($5.800m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Ryan Suter ($7.867m) / Nick Leddy ($1.117m)
Johnny Oduya ($3.383m) / Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m)
Dylan Olsen ($0.870m) /

next in line - Joseph Lavin, Adam Clendening and Shawn Lalonde

GOALTENDERS
Corey Crawford ($2.667m)
Ray Emery ($1.150m)

next in line - praying to God

wow, this team is freaken loaded, has cap space to boot, and though the goaltending is still the same, we can upgrade at the goalie position with the cap space left plus the likely move of Hammer makes it even easier to do as well..

I love how this team looks!!

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Sadly, I don't think we could ever be even close to a lock with Crow/Emery in net. I hope Crawford proves us wrong but I just don't trust his focus and clutch play when he's handed the #1 spot. Like Niemi, he only looked really good when he had to battle for the spot.

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This isn't happening but....

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Viktor Stalberg ($0.875m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Shane Doan ($5.750m)
Patrick Sharp ($5.900m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Andrew Shaw ($0.565m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Bryan Bickell ($0.542m)
Jimmy Hayes ($0.875m) / Jamal Mayers ($0.650m) / Daniel Carcillo ($0.825m)
Marcus Kruger ($0.900m)
DEFENSEMEN
Brent Seabrook ($5.800m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Ryan Suter ($7.500m) / Johnny Oduya ($3.383m)
Dylan Olsen ($0.870m) / Nick Leddy ($1.117m)
Steve Montador ($2.750m) /
GOALTENDERS
Corey Crawford ($2.667m)
Ray Emery ($1.150m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $68,906,794; BONUSES: $697,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,393,206

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You can repeat it all you want. Fact is, we played better as a team when he was at center last year in the beginning and end of the year. When Toews was down it was a treat to watch how dangerous he was in the offensive zone every night, usually setting up Bruno, sometimes Stalberg, and hopefully Hossa with high quality opportunities. He's our best playmaker and excels at carrying the puck across the opposing blue line. He's not the best at backchecking but he's excellent at taking away the puck in the neutral zone. He can carry a line as well as anyone else on this team, and the blind hatred is preposterous. Whining about a faceoff percentage he can improve is a weak argument considering his ability to grow as a player and the fact that he only gets compared to Toews. Go back and read the GDT's of when Toews was down and you'll see who our 2nd best center is. Kane is one of the most dangerous threats in the game and he's a LOT more dangerous in the middle of the ice than on the perimeter.
I will say that he certainly looked dangerous there at the beginning of his stint at center. However,asit went on and teams adjusted to his game there he became less and less effective in that role. Playing center certainly does ope the ice up for him but it also forces him to do a lot of the dirty work that he just isn't that great at. He's, as you mentioned, not great in his own end either. It's not that I think he's bad at center, because he obviously brings a lot to the table in that role, it's just his game is much much more suited to the wing.

No to Smyth who really slowed down in the second half of the year for the Oilers. He's getting up there and he'll want too much money.

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Why is everyone creating rosters next year with a 70M+ cap? It's not going to happen.

Even going into next year with a cap of 66M seems a tad optimistic.
Oh really?

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FORWARDS
Viktor Stalberg ($0.875m) / Jonathan Toews ($6.300m) / Marian Hossa ($5.275m)
Patrick Sharp ($5.900m) / Dave Bolland ($3.375m) / Patrick Kane ($6.300m)
Lee Stempniak ($2.500m) / Matt Cullen ($3.500m) / Andrew Shaw ($0.565m)
Bryan Bickell ($0.542m) / Jay McClement ($2.500m) / Daniel Carcillo ($0.825m)
Brandon Bollig ($0.575m) / Jamal Mayers ($0.650m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Brent Seabrook ($5.800m) / Duncan Keith ($5.538m)
Scott Hannan ($2.000m) / Johnny Oduya ($3.383m)
Matt Carkner ($1.400m) / Nick Leddy ($1.117m)
Stu Bickel ($1.500m)
GOALTENDERS
Corey Crawford ($2.667m)
Ray Emery ($1.150m)
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SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,236,794; BONUSES: $375,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $6,338,206

All of the newly signed players were given substantial raises and it is not inconceivable that one of more of them could be signed cheaper than what I have them listed for.

The only trade I have the Hawks making is with the Wild for Cullen. Cullen is in the last year of his deal and should be expendable with Koivu, PMB, Brodziak, and Granlund all under contract for the Wild.

Frolik, Hammer, and Montador are all traded away as part of the Cullen deal or for picks/prospects to finance that deal or fill in the holes left by that deal.

Kruger gets sent down to Rockford until he either matures enough physically to handle a bottom 6 role or develops his offense enough to warrant a top 6 role.

Saad, Morin, and Jayes go to Rockford getting solid playing time until injuries inevitably open up some roster spots. If they succeed when they get called up it just gives Bowman more ammunition to go after an impact player during the year.

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I will say that he certainly looked dangerous there at the beginning of his stint at center. However,asit went on and teams adjusted to his game there he became less and less effective in that role. Playing center certainly does ope the ice up for him but it also forces him to do a lot of the dirty work that he just isn't that great at. He's, as you mentioned, not great in his own end either. It's not that I think he's bad at center, because he obviously brings a lot to the table in that role, it's just his game is much much more suited to the wing.

No to Smyth who really slowed down in the second half of the year for the Oilers. He's getting up there and he'll want too much money.
actually, kane's worst stretches of the year were at RW and at the end of the year when toews went down he again looked good at center.

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